Posted on 03/25/2003 6:54:01 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
Novak may be wrong, but he's a true patriot
When a nation is at war, there's a tendency among those who support it to suspect that those who opposed it before the shooting started did so either because they were secretly biased in favor of the enemy or have somehow come to hate their own country. There is a corollary tendency among those who opposed war before it actually breaks out to rally round the troops, regardless of their real feelings about its wisdom.
These tendencies are human and rational. Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle (S.D.), for example, who was attacking President Bush's competence, judgment and motives before U.S. forces crossed the Iraqi border, was all over the place afterwards, assuring us that he supports the troops and prays for victory. Pat Buchanan, who attacked Bush and his strategists, has done the same thing, as has conservative columnist Robert Novak.
This doesn't mean that any of them feel any differently about the wisdom of the war today than they did before Bush "pulled the trigger" last week or that once the shooting stops they won't reiterate the objections they had voiced beforehand. Indeed, if they felt as strongly before the war as they all suggested, it would be dishonest to do anything else later. That does not, however, make illegitimate the position they now take.
It's perfectly true that, for self-serving reasons, some of Bush's political critics might today be overstating their enthusiasm for the mission on which our troops are embarked. But they are supporting them and that's important. They are not in the streets with protesters likening Bush to Hitler or echoing the anti-Semitism of those who actually do seem to think saving "uncle" Saddam is preferable to protecting ourselves and our friends in the region from whatever lunacy he might come up with next week or next month.
While I count myself among those who from the beginning have believed the action we are now taking is fully justified, I've never believed that men and women of good will couldn't disagree either on the threat posed by today's Iraq or the proper way to deal with it. Those who questioned the strength of the evidence that Saddam had either the weapons we suspected he had or his ability to truly threaten us with them had a point. It looks as if they were wrong, but the early public evidence could lead one to the conclusion they drew from it.
What's more, those who were concerned about the United States taking on a job that could weaken us internally and lead to a fatal over-extension abroad had and continue to have an even better point. We may be moving into Iraq seeking to disarm an enemy and, incidentally, free her people, but there are those in and out of the administration who would have us stay to appoint quasi-colonial military or civilian governors to build a new Iraq. It is thus that liberators become empire builders and should, in my opinion, be resisted by thoughtful conservatives.
The debate over whether we should have adopted the policy we are now pursuing was a legitimate one and the continuing debate about what all this will mean in the post-Saddam world is going to prove to be even more important. It is a debate that won't divide us all along neat ideological lines, but it is one that must nonetheless be joined.
And it is going to be far too important to be decided on the basis of the sort of ad hominem attacks launched against Novak this week by former White House speechwriter David Frum. Frum is among those who can't seem to accept the fact that those who disagree with him may not be in league with the devil. His vituperative attack on one of the nation's most respected conservative columnists marks the man as neither conservative nor intellectually respectable. Like many other conservatives, I happen to disagree with Novak's analysis of what's going on in the Middle East. But to suggest, as does Frum, that his disagreement with Bush's Iraq policy stems from a hatred of the president and the country is scandalously and irresponsibly absurd.
Frum seems to know little of Novak's background or history, but anyone who can read a newspaper should know that Novak was opposing this nation's enemies before Frum was even born. One can question the man's judgment and sometimes even his facts, but to suggest that Novak is no different from the crypto-fascists and Marxists organizing "peace" rallies these days says a lot more about David Frum than it does about Bob Novak.
Nonsense. I suspect that David Keene knows Robert Novak better than either you or David Frum, and therefore place more credibility in his assessment than either of yours. But more than the issue of supporting the war or not, the greater issue of Frum's smear piece is his unduly strong dependence upon guilt-by-association tactics.
The entirity of his piece had a central message of tagging all those he named with "anti-semitism." To accomplish this, he pulled a carefully selected array of quotes from a few fringe wackos of the "American Rennaissance" type, identified their authors as "paleos," and then tagged mainstream writers like Novak onto those fringers despite the fact that, as Novak noted, he does not even know many of those people and has never affiliated with any of them. Its entire purpose is to discredit Novak by drawing an association - and a completely fabricated one at that - between Novak and a few anti-semitic fringe nutcases. The fraud he perpetrated is easily exposed under the simplest scrutiny, as it reveals a glaring inconsistency in Frum's conclusions. Among those he associated to the fringe with his broad brush stroke of anti-semitism are an ethnic Jew (Novak), a second Jew (Gottfried), and multiple conservative-libertarian types who practically worship the writings of two Jewish economists (Von Mises and Rothbard). His entire smear piece boils down to nothing more than a claim that two Jews and several followers of two other Jews are all "anti-semites" because of their supposed affiliation with a small group of known anti-semite fringers who they aren't really affiliated with in the first place beyond David Frum saying so. Frum perpetrated an intellectual fraud with that article and it shows. Now he is suffering deserved criticism from his intellectual superiors on the right. His expected whining in response to them also shows.
Click here to hear it from the Paleoconservative's mouth.
Paleoconservatism is the expression of rootedness: a sense of place and of history, a sense of self derived from forebears, kin, and culturean identity that is both collective and personal. This identity is missing from the psychological and emotional makeup of leftists of every stripeincluding "neoconservatives"and is now disavowed by mainline conservatives of the Republican variety, seemingly bent on eradicating as much of the primeval stain as they can from their consciousnesses while apologizing for the faint discoloration that remains.
Identitylike patriotism and loyalty, among other thingsis a problem for conservatives to the extent they see it at odds with the concept of Economic Man, for whom the term has no significance unless preceded by the word "brand." For the left, the only valid human identity is economic status, which determines ones political position in the context of the class war: Other identities (racial, ethnic, tribal, cultural, religious, national) are dangerous because they distract from all-important economic distinctions, and because they create enmity among groups who the dialectic has determined should be allies. The left, which (with the help of drugs and other deviant social behavior) in the 80s created the crisis of homelessness, is and always has been homeless itself: men and women without a country, without a people, without a historywithout God.
But there is another reason why the left, especially in societies that retain so much as a vestige of their historic character, despises traditional identities. For leftists, these imply something enticing yet, for them, unattainable: a self-possession to be envied, a self-confidence to be resented, an assurance to be feared. What they perceive is not simply a threat to their political blueprint, to their vision of the future. It is an affront to themselves: their bogus identity, their false self-perception, their absurdly inflated sense of their own strength, most of which they owe to the bureaucratic institutions that protect their soft ineffectual selves the way a nautilus shelters a snail. This sense of affrontedness has produced a satanic hatred which, for the past 40 years, has been fueling a kind of public conspiracyentirely unprecedented in the annals of historywhose end is the total deconstruction of a civilization by the elite responsible for its welfare and survival.
In this campaign of chaos and destruction, the chief and most effective tools have been the weakening of the Christian religion and Christian institutions, the promotion of multiculturalismand virtually uncontrolled immigration from the Third World. Given their strong sense of identification with the American Republic as well as, in many cases, family trees rooted in the fertile abundant soil of colonial America, it was inevitable that it should have been the paleoconservatives who sounded the alarm over immigration and carried the anti-immigration battle to the enemy, whose response (entirely in character for it) has been name-calling from a safe distance rather than hand-to-hand fighting in the field, plus redoubled bureaucratic and propagandistic efforts beyond the sidelines. Given, also, the distraction of the general population by sports, sex, the internet, and a booming economy, the paleos seem to be losing most of the battles, and the war. The numbers of first-generation immigrants are approaching critical mass, while a Gallup poll taken during the last election season showed that a majority of Americans no longer believes that immigration to their country ought to be curtailed.
Such being the case, what should the paleoconservative response be? (Not the paleoconservative political responsethere arent any genuine paleoconservatives in positions of real powerbut the public, as well as the private, one.) My answers are either practically inutile, or else useful only in the long run. These are: pray; wait ("Catastrophe," Ed Abbey thought, "is our only hope"); carry on as if nothing were happening; be strong.
Last fall, I received an academic calendar from my alma mater, The Trinity School in New York City. Having not paid a visit to 139 West 91st Street since my 20th reunion in 1985, I paged, astounded, through glossy four-color photographs depicting scenes from the daily life of the school. Gone were the awe-inspiring faculty, serious but not necessarily severe men in tweeds, dark suits, and rimless spectacles. Gone were the ranks of schoolboys uniformed in navy blue blazers, button-down shirts, striped ties, and oxfords (shoe-shine inspection promptly at 8:45 before Chapel, and an ear-tweak for the boy whod forgotten to add his display handkerchief before leaving home that morning). Gone the straight rows of tablet armchairs, the teachers imposing desk, the youth in the corner holding his chair out in front of him by its hind legs and blubbering (the Trinity of my day wouldnt have included him in a calendar, either). In their place were teachers dressed like college kids, coatless and tieless; students garbed as junior versions of their instructors; casual arrangements of tables to form mini-classrooms promoting fuzziness in feeling and in thought. In addition to the Episcopal service (Trinity, founded in 1709, was originally the scholastic appendage of Trinity Church on Wall Street), there are now Jewish Chapel and Kwanza Chapel. The school, which shuts down for Rosh Hashanah and Kwanza as well as for Christmas and Easter, Martin Luther King, Jr., Day as well as Winter Vacation, etc., is apparently closed more than it is open to accommodate the sensibilities of a multicultural student body. The school went coed shortly after my graduation, and the incidence of non-Western faces has since greatly increased.
Flexibility in facing the vicissitudes of life is one thing, unlearning your upbringing anothera thing principled people wouldnt do even if they could. Trinity School, having educated generations of students for life in the Old America, hasfor the past 30 yearsbeen cooperating enthusiastically in the work of destroying that America and displacing those it once trained to operate and inhabit it. All right: We are becoming strangers in our own country.
What to do? In addition to the foregoing list, I add several further suggestions. Be true to your forebears, and to the culture they created andfor nearly four centuriessustained. Wear a coat and necktie in polite society, even on an airplane. Speak out! Make yourself heard as loud and as strong as your lungs, and the co-opted press and electronic frequencies, permit. Keep your sense of humor, ALWAYS. . . . Go to Church.
Chilton Williamson, Jr., is the senior editor for books at Chronicles.
He took several shots at Mel Bradford, who was a very well respected conservative scholar before he died. Paul Gottfried isn't known as well as Bradford, but he's also an accredited conservative author and academic (he's also Jewish, which doesn't mesh very well with Frum's broad brush of anti-semitism). The blanket smear of the LewRockwell.com crowd is also dishonest. LRC's writers include both ranting nuts and respected conservatives, so a blanket painting of them is fraudulent as best.
The same can be said of mantras said to symbols. The Founding Fathers didn't say them and I don't either. So don't drape yourself in a symbol since you're more than made it clear that you're going to ignore the document the symbol stands for.
ROFLMAO
You mean racist POS, don't you?
Bradford hid it well for a long time.
You are quite fond of branding people with that label, are you not? Bradford's books on strict constructionism are classic conservative texts. He was highly regarded in conservative circles outside of the rabid south-haters of the Lincoln cult.
So what's your point? Bradford is still a target of the Frum crowd, not to mention the Lincoln cult whether he got the job or not.
Those are the words he wrote and published. Your attempt to wiggle around them is not convincing. I stand by what I said.
Those are positive suggestions that I would definately support. However, as Buchanan demonstrates with damning quotes, Neocons are dead set on establishing a world empire. They don't need the UN anymore and are using immigrant Muslims as an excuse to destroy the Bill of Rights.
For the record, I think Buchanan dwells a bit too heavily on Jewish influence since there are plenty of Jews on both sides of the neo/paleo divide. However, I will assert that Neoconservatives have replaced the Left as the greatest threat to our republican form of government.
For the record, I think Buchanan dwells a bit too heavily on Jewish influence since there are plenty of Jews on both sides of the neo/paleo divide. However, I will assert that Neoconservatives have replaced the Left as the greatest threat to our republican form of government.
Because they are willing to fight a war, that Pat wishes away?
I'm no fan of neocons. Their Wilsonian plan of spreading democracy by the sword is moronic.
Their poisition on immigration is suicidal and counter productive.
On the other hand, I believe that the paleocons are being overrun by neo-confederates, anarchistic language, and isolationism.
Both are new ideologies that have intrinsic problems.
Quote from civilian Goldberg: "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business."
Quote from Michael Leeden: "First and foremost, we must bring down the terror regimes, beginning with the Big Three: Iran, Iraq, and Syria. And then we have to come to grips with Saudi Arabia"
Later he mentions Lebanon and doesn't even talk about Afganistan or Libya.
they are willing to fight a war, that Pat wishes away
Unlike in the past, today's military is made up mostly of low income rural Whites and inner-city minorities. Members of the ruling class have virtually no family connection to those who fight and die in our foreign wars.
[Neocon] poisition on immigration is suicidal
If it were just immigration, we could write that off as just a silly desire not to appear "racist" like those badboy paleos. It is the combination of immigration with warfare on the "crappy" countries listed above that should make us especially concerned.
paleocons are being overrun by neo-confederates, anarchistic language, and isolationism.
As Neos on this forum never tire of pointing out, Paleocons are currently powerless so we have no real institutions to overrun. Any conservative out of step with the neocon party line is branded a paleo and, sure, that includes a wide variety.
If the ruling clique is suicidal as you say then times are desperate. True conservatives must find alternatives to the Neocon establishment that has sold us down the river.
OK, I consider my self more paleo than neo but you need to get off the sauce.
That's a mouthful. I suspect today's military is more upscale in socio-economic class than it ever has been since it has been a substantial force. That's what the generals seem to think.
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