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To: Longshanks
However, as Buchanan demonstrates with damning quotes, Neocons are dead set on establishing a world empire.

1. I must have missed the quotes. Wheer does it say that the US should be a world empire?
2. Pat is off the deepend. He refuses to see that we have been in a clash of civilizations since 1979.
The prospect is too terrifyiong, so he wishes to throw Israel to the wolves in the hope that hey will ignore "the Great Satan."

For the record, I think Buchanan dwells a bit too heavily on Jewish influence since there are plenty of Jews on both sides of the neo/paleo divide. However, I will assert that Neoconservatives have replaced the Left as the greatest threat to our republican form of government.

Because they are willing to fight a war, that Pat wishes away?

I'm no fan of neocons. Their Wilsonian plan of spreading democracy by the sword is moronic.
Their poisition on immigration is suicidal and counter productive.
On the other hand, I believe that the paleocons are being overrun by neo-confederates, anarchistic language, and isolationism.

Both are new ideologies that have intrinsic problems.

96 posted on 03/26/2003 5:20:39 PM PST by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: rmlew
Wheer does it say that the US should be a world empire?

Quote from civilian Goldberg: "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business."

Quote from Michael Leeden: "First and foremost, we must bring down the terror regimes, beginning with the Big Three: Iran, Iraq, and Syria. And then we have to come to grips with Saudi Arabia"

Later he mentions Lebanon and doesn't even talk about Afganistan or Libya.

they are willing to fight a war, that Pat wishes away

Unlike in the past, today's military is made up mostly of low income rural Whites and inner-city minorities. Members of the ruling class have virtually no family connection to those who fight and die in our foreign wars.

[Neocon] poisition on immigration is suicidal

If it were just immigration, we could write that off as just a silly desire not to appear "racist" like those badboy paleos. It is the combination of immigration with warfare on the "crappy" countries listed above that should make us especially concerned.

paleocons are being overrun by neo-confederates, anarchistic language, and isolationism.

As Neos on this forum never tire of pointing out, Paleocons are currently powerless so we have no real institutions to overrun. Any conservative out of step with the neocon party line is branded a paleo and, sure, that includes a wide variety.

If the ruling clique is suicidal as you say then times are desperate. True conservatives must find alternatives to the Neocon establishment that has sold us down the river.

97 posted on 03/26/2003 6:56:27 PM PST by Longshanks (It's a republic... if you can keep it.)
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To: rmlew
I don't think Neocons favor unlimited and unrestricted immigration (that is more a WSJ position), although most probably favor a substantial influx. Where did that canard come from? Neocons tend to favor a generous amount of legal immigration, since in general it is a great vaccuum cleaner that sweeps in the best and the brightest across the globe. And that strikes me as desirable, plus it tends to mitigate the deleterious effects of an aging population due to relatively low birth rates.
100 posted on 03/26/2003 7:41:26 PM PST by Torie (w)
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