Women in the Military

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[MarcoPolo]

I've got a serious question that I need some Freeper help with. I know that in World War II women were able to serve separately from men in the Armed Forces in such services as the WACS and the WAVES. Are there any such women's only corps in our services today? This is an honest question. I have wanted badly to serve my country, but I have almost always felt that women's roles in the military should not be a soldiers but as equally important nurses, intelligence officers, and other support staff. ANY FEMALE SOLDIERS OR VETS READING THIS PLEASE DON'T BE OFFENDED. I'm genuinely interested in knowing this stuff, so if any Freeper can help I'd be most appreciative.

[JackelopeBreeder]

I could name dozens of women who have gone into harms way with me on the DMZ in Korea. Dedicated MI professionals, Korean linguists, and soldiers all. Just misplaced their Y chromosomes somewhere -- or replaced it with whatever gens give a cobra that poison. They were the only females who routinely went into the DMZ.

Back in garrison they might toss the "tender gender" card on occasion (and insist that us dumb males pay for their drinks), but never up on the fence. I trusted them to cover my six implicitly. A large number of them sported expert marksmanship badges -- though I would have been forced to grope for nipples to find out whether or not they were wearing them correctly. Some day, maybe a couple of centuries from now, the Army will come up with a female Class A uniform that makes some sort of sense.

Mean bunch -- I caught one of the prettiest of them throwing rocks at a North Korean patrol once because she was bored. Come to think of it, she was the only member of the platoon who stood a chance of matching me drink for drink. She made First Sergeant not too long ago...

Another was the biggest black wench I have ever known. I'm 5'7" tall and had to stand on a chair to look directly at her cute little belly button. I still remember one night going through a ROK checkpoint just south of the DMZ. One of the guards made the wrong comment in Korean. The Jolly Black Giant unfolded herself out of that Humvee and rose to her full majestic height like Godzilla coming out of the ocean and gave that poor ROK corporal a dressing down in his own language that would have shocked a Marine drill sergeant and brought complaints of profanity at a very low-class cat house. (Don't ever ask Uncle JakelopeBreeder for a language lesson -- it will get you in very big trouble.)

[wardaddy]

I agree.

Best to save that argument to fight till after this war is over. There are legions of reasons why I feel as I do.

Many younger FReepers disagree. I think there is a generational tint to this. Some younger FReepers do not have the same ideals of male/female role identification as the rest of us.

The following is from Travis McGee yesterday. I concur emphatically.

My opinion is that we enjoy the decadent luxury at this point of permitting our women to serve in some combat roles. We are so far ahead of our enemies, we could beat them with an army of Boy Scouts, given our weaponry.
In a "real war", it would be insane. In a "real war", which I describe as an endless series of Blackhawk Downs, with national survival at stake and the outcome in doubt, it would be insane.
Anyway, a nation which sends its next generation of mothers into "real" combat, while fat lazy college boys lounge around at home drinking bear and watching MTV, that society does not deserve to survive.

I think those remarks are worth bookmarking. It should be noted that either fanatical or coerced resistance has increased since yesterday morning and any women near the front lines are indeed closer to BHD types of hardcore encounters...that is to me a grievous error and smacks of the added danger PC sensibilities run amok in our military poses in the same vein as allowing black(or otherwise) muslim militants in our ranks as was so tragically proven last night.

[wardaddy]

Oh please....negro rights, women's rights, gay rights...all the same to you isn't it?

The military is not about being fair.

[wardaddy]

Why? Because two of them are cute?

[wardaddy]

The truth does not matter to social engineering liberals on this forum masquerading as "conservatives".

This rather stupid issue was a non-issue back when conservative meant conservative.

This forum has been overrun as of late with social moderates and their indoctrination of the past 30 years.

The idea that a mother of three should leave her kids at home with hubbie to go fly Apaches is repugnant to me and speaks ill of our society on many levels.

The fact that she CAN or wants to FLY an attack chopper is irrelevant. It's not something any major society has ever done in history except in extremely dire circumstance. Why has the practice of placing women in combat never taken hold anywhere? Because men are pigs? Yeah Right.

Dumb...dumb...dumb.

In any event...contrary to Rummy's promise two years ago...they are there. I hope they all come home safe so far. Two apparently already are not. One wounded by that black muslim nutjob (more pc tomfoolery) and now that poor girl captured last night....I shudder to consider her fate...and yes...damn right it's worse when it's a woman. It is simply beyond the pale to place women in these roles....for so many reasons I could do a thread on that alone.

[wardaddy]

Some jobs are better performed by women...like giving birth and staying home to raise those kids instead of trotting off to war. That is the man's job.

[wardaddy]

What's wrong with the Crusades...they knew the enemy when they saw them unlike today where we fail to realize that at least 2/3rds of Islam approved of 9-11.

[JackelopeBreeder]

See my post #61. Sounds like you would fit right in. I've been accused of being a YY-chromosome Neanderthaler, but you sound like you'd fit right in. You don't have to be allergic to Kryptonite. If an inherently lazy, pot-bellied goofball like me can stay up with 1st and 10th Special Forces guys, so can you.

To quote a friend of mine with far more experience, "Combat assignments are 90% boredom, 9% mildly interesting, and 1% dirty underwear."

[Porterville]

I was with an ex-Army chick a while back; and she had the tightest abs, red hair, and beautiful face; now, if she wasn't in shape, how would we have had such a good night??

God bless the military and the women in it. I love a healthy girl.

[nopardons]

As usual, you are 100% correct ! Women do NOT belong in the military. It doesn't matter if they can do something or other, or not. Men feel protective of women and that's a distraction, when one is fighting a war. Women get preggers and don't tell me that they don't, whilst in combat. Though most peoples are sport of civilized, those, whom we are and shall probably have to fight, are NOT civilized at all.

Historically, from the beginning of time, men have raped and pillaged, during and after wartime. Those women/girls/boys, weren't fighting against them; they were " the spoils of war ". For those, who think that " times have changed ", remember that Saddam had a RAPE SQUAD , who raped the wives and daughters of those he wanted to get something out of / torture. Why would he and his associates NOT rape our female military ? After all, it worked well with the Iraqis.

[wardaddy]

Threat to masculinity?

Damn you sound like Gloria....Steinham or Allred...take yer pick sista!

Geez.

Outdated? You didn't stumble onto some new wonderful idea sweetie. It's been tried since forever and any civilization with a brain decided it was a bad idea....the Israelis most recently.

I have lived in a number of conflict zones with horrendous dirty little war action from West Africa to Latin America. Women mingling with men as line troopers is a rarity even in those conflicts where unimagined brutality is the norm.

The idea you applaud will die quickly in a high body count war for survival. Trust me. It's an indulgence to appease the what if PC crowd.

[wardaddy]

Oh but he is. Is she carrying the 50?

[wardaddy]

Bullcrap.

I'm 6'5" 220 lbs and have never seen a woman outside of these boxing gals on TV that I know I could crush quickly.

You are dreaming.

Amazonian myth.

[nopardons]

I'm a woman, newbie, and I am NOT on your side. You and your sister don't belong in combat; no matter what PC propaganda you've swallowed as whole clothe.

[wardaddy]

I find it incredibly grating to hear these youngbloods on this forum spouting this nonsense.

I woke this morning to my wife crying over the images of that poor girl who had been captured by these murderous fanatics.

It is so wrong of an idea that it I feel it as strongly as anything I've ever had a strong opinion about.(and I've had a few..lol) I know scores of over 35 vets and none agree with this new "what if" social engineering. It is absolute idiocy designed for only one thing...to appease the feminists and keep Pat Shroeder from having a crying fit...again. The military is no place for social experiments....

Those who like to equivocate this with negro rights are disingenuous.

History is on our side. Of course to these new age genuises, histroy is all wrong and misguided. They'll now come and remind me of fearless female political warmongering leaders which is true or the more canny Katie di Medici types but those women were not in the front lines. They were sovereigns...a big difference and another issue altogether.

Women pregnant while serving? Hell, it's an epidemic onboard ships. They just busted a salior gal prostitution ring on a carrier and some less than honourable marines were pimping them out. Do we need this crap in our military? It's one of the most ridiculous notions ever to float down the pike.

[wardaddy]

So you like women in then military because they are good for sex....lol....then they should be courtesans and leave the fighting to men Romeo.

LOL....your candor was sort of funny I'll have to admit.

[wardaddy]

Saddam ...dead or alive...is about to lie...er speak...

The notion this thread revolves around is lunacy.

It's disheartening to see what passes for conservative these days isn't it?

We may have over 100k members now but we have lost our edge with these newbie social liberals who think because they support the war and lower taxes then they are conservative.

What do we call them? We've about run out of labels..lol...and none of them fit well anyhow.

[philetus]

I don't know if this will help, but while I was at Ft. Rucker, many moons ago, I had a woman Lt. Colonel, scream in my face "DON'T CALL ME MAAM, CALL ME SIR".

scared the bejesus out of me.

[KDD]

You are absolutely right.

[Porterville]

Look, women are needed everywhere. Why not on the front lines. It enchourages the notion of humanity by placing the opposite face on what is the most extreme of situations.

And Army chicks tend to have rad bodies.