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The past Glory of Gaul. I thought this might be appropriate for a Sunday afternoon for those unaquainted with this bit of important Western history.
1 posted on 03/09/2003 11:32:40 AM PST by Pharmboy
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Hmmmm. I may take back one or two of the things I have said about the French. :)
2 posted on 03/09/2003 11:39:17 AM PST by LibKill (VIOLENCE! The supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.)
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Great post! Little is known in this country of this crucial time in world history. I'm just recently becoming acquainted with it myself. Paul Fregosi's book Jihad also does a great job of describing this campaign. Fregosi is of the belief that, if not for Charles the Hammer, we would all be bowing to Mecca today. I definitely have a great respect for the legacy of heroism that the French have, too bad their leadership has not lived up to it lately.
4 posted on 03/09/2003 11:42:21 AM PST by scottinoc
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In 732, at the Battle of Tours,
Charles Martel defeated the Moors.

ML/NJ

5 posted on 03/09/2003 11:44:08 AM PST by ml/nj
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7 posted on 03/09/2003 11:48:50 AM PST by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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1683 - POLAND Saved Europe from Islamic JIHAD

Before they were utterly defeated by the King of Poland, Jan III Sobieski, at the Battle of Vienna in 1683, those followers of Muhammad, the Turks, had laid seige to Vienna, in their attempt to "convert" and conquer Europe.

Here was their declaration and widely published prayer (sound familiar?):

Eternal God and creator of all things, and thou O Mahomet his sacred and divine prophet. We beseech thee let us not dread the Christians, who are so mean and silly to rely on a crucified god. By the power of thy right hand, so strengthen ours that we may surround this foolish people, on every side, and utterly destroy them. At length fulfill our prayers and put these miscreants into our hands, that we may establish thy throne for ever in Mecca, and sacrifice all those enemies of our most holy religion at thy tomb. Blow us with thy mighty breath like swarms of flies into their quarters, and let the eyes of these infidels bedazelled with the lustre of our moon. Consume them with thy fiery darts, and blind them with the dust which they themselves have raised. Destroy them all in thine anger. Break all their bones in pieces, and consume the flesh and blood of those who defile thy sacrifice, and hang the sacred light of circumcision on their cross. Wash them with showers of many waters, who are so stupid to worship gods they know not: and make their Christ a son to that God who ne're begot him. Hasten therefore their destruction we humbly entreat thee, and blot out their name and religion, which they glory so much in, from off the face of the earth, that they may be no more, who condemn and mock at thy law. Amen.

And, here is an excerpt from the King of Poland's letter to his Queen, after the Battle:

.....The Rarities which were found in the Prime Vizor's Tent, were no less Numerous than Strange and Surprising, as very curious Parrots, and some Birds of Paradise, with all his Banios, and Fountains, and some Ostriches, which he Chose rather to Kill, than let 'em fall Alive into our Hands; Nay his Dispair and Jealousy transported him so far, as to Destroy his very Women for the same Reason.

The whole Army Attributes the Glory of this Victory to God, and Us, and all the Princes of the Empire, with the Great Officers, as the Dukes of Bavaria and Lorrain, Prince Waldek, etc. were so far transported with my Valour and Success, that their Thanks and Praises were more Numerous, than was their Fears before; and Count Staremberg the Governour, Saluted me with the Title of his Mighty Deliverer. The Common People in my going to and from the Churches, pay'd their Veneration even to my very Garments, and made their Cry's and Acclamations reach the Sky, of Long Live the King of Poland.....

In the battle we Lost some of our Friends, as Prince Halicki, and the Treasurer of our Household. The Reverend Marinus Daviano, heapt on me his Pray'rs and Blessings, and told me he saw a White Dove fluttering o're the Army, which he look'd upon as an happy Augure of our Victory.....

Thanks be to Heaven, now the Half-Moon Triumphs no longer o'er the Cross, And 'twas thrown down from St. Stephen's Steeple in Vienna (whom it had o'retopt so long) immediately on the Defeat: Neither have the Turks any occasion to upbraid us with their Blasphemous Mahometan Proverb: Ye Christians where is Your God?


After the Battle Jan Sobieski entered Vienna in glory. The King and his Polish army had won lots of fame after their victory. Jan III Sobieski was not only looked upon as the savior of Vienna, but as a savior of the whole of Europe from the Ottoman Turks.


15 posted on 03/09/2003 1:58:36 PM PST by ppaul
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In 732 A.D. the Franks were not yet the French. The Franks were more Germanic and less Latin. ONly in time did they degenerate into the wine-sipping, cheese-eating surrender monkies they are today.
19 posted on 03/09/2003 2:44:14 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: *Clash of Civilizatio
Indexing.
20 posted on 03/09/2003 2:53:06 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: Charles Martel
Yo, Chuck... your ears must certainly be burning, no? ;-)
32 posted on 03/09/2003 6:37:47 PM PST by Cloud William
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The Byzantine Greeks held back Islam for 800 years in Eastern Europe, and continued to preserve the ancient and Christian cultures through the darkness of Turkish and Arab Islamic oppression.
34 posted on 03/09/2003 7:18:55 PM PST by eleni121
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