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Libertarian Party: Bush's Patriot Act II is Every Tyrant's Dream
Libertarian Party press release ^ | March 6, 2003 | George Getz

Posted on 03/07/2003 10:14:33 PM PST by Commie Basher

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NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
Washington DC 20037
World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org
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For release: March 6, 2003
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For additional information:
George Getz, Communications Director
Phone 202) 333-0008
E-Mail: pressreleases@hq.LP.org
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Sequel to USA Patriot Act is every tyrant's dream, Libertarians say.

WASHINGTON, DC -- Here's great news for everyone who supported the USA Patriot Act, Libertarians say: The Justice Department has secretly drafted follow-up legislation that would allow the government to make secret arrests, create a vast new DNA database of "suspected terrorists" and even strip Americans of their citizenship and deport them.

"If you liked the Patriot Act, you're going to love the sequel," said George Getz, Libertarian Party communications director. "Patriot II offers awesome government power, rapidly disappearing freedom, and an action-packed war on the Constitution. You'll be sitting on the edge of your seat as your liberties are stripped away."

The Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 (DSEA) – dubbed "Patriot II" because of its similarities to the USA Patriot Act – was secretly written by the Justice Department in January and has not yet been introduced in Congress. A draft of the legislation was leaked recently to the Center for Public Integrity and posted on its website.

"The original Patriot Act got rave reviews from authoritarians everywhere," Getz noted. "Rogue FBI agents conducting 'sneak-and-peak searches,' an e-mail spy scheme named Carnivore, secret deportations – this legislation was every petty tyrant's dream.

"It opened to a packed House – and Senate – in October 2001 and got a nearly unanimous 'thumbs up.' Clearly there's a market out there for less freedom, and Washington is rushing to cash in with a sequel."

The plot for Patriot II: A group of unscrupulous politicians in a large, Western democracy capitalize on a terrorist attack in order to vastly expand their powers. They embark on an effort to convince their subjects that by surrendering their freedom they will be protected from terrorists and other criminals.

Working along with a "Department of Justice," they subvert the Constitution by secretly crafting legislation that allows the government to:

* Make secret arrests, overturning a federal court decision requiring the government to identify persons detained in the 9/11 investigation.

* Issue secret subpoenas, and jail people who reveal to anyone except their attorney that they are the subject of a secret investigation.

* Strip citizens of their citizenship for associating with a group designated by the attorney general as a "terrorist organization," even if the individual's conduct is legal.

* Allow the attorney general to deport any foreigner, even a permanent legal resident, whose presence he deems "inconsistent with national security."

* Create a database of DNA collected from "suspected terrorists" and from non-citizens suspected of ordinary crimes.

* Conduct a wiretap for 15 days without a judge's approval, and monitor an individual's Internet and chat room visits for 48 hours without a court order.

* Overturn local court decrees that restrict police from illegal spying.

* Weaken the Freedom of Information Act to prevent journalists from learning who is being held in police custody.

Though Patriot II is expected to be a hit with politicians and much of the public, not everyone will be buying a ticket, Getz predicted.

"Libertarians and other freedom-loving Americans have panned Patriot II for obvious reasons," he said. "It's burdened by the same clichéd cast of characters as the original – a devious attorney general, an opportunistic president, and pandering politicians who hoodwink people into surrendering their freedom.

"Will anyone fall for this story line a second time?"


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ashcroft; bush; civilliberties; libertarianparty; libertarians; patriotact; pitchforktorchtime; tia; totalinformation; waronterror
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To: nopardons
Just as the Hippies

Just less colorful and interesting.

221 posted on 03/09/2003 10:59:30 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: strela
What "control" are you referring to? IIRC, the President couldn't even get CBS or CNN to cover his last prime-time news conference live.

Are you going go confusing them with facts?

222 posted on 03/09/2003 11:00:51 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
How correct YOU are ! Isn't it interesting, how so many, who claim to be the ONLY " intelligent ", " principled ", and knowledgeable people around, don't even have a tenuous grasp of historical fact ? :-)
223 posted on 03/09/2003 11:03:32 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Roscoe
Most hippies ( if not all of them ) weren't " colorful and were NOT very " interesting " either. Their leaders, the RED DIAPER BABIES , were better pied pipers, than the Libertarians , who are their direct descendents , are.
224 posted on 03/09/2003 11:05:24 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Most hippies ( if not all of them ) weren't " colorful and were NOT very " interesting " either.

True enough. It's an accomplishment of sorts, albeit a very dubious one, that the Libertarians could manage to be even left interesting and colorful.

Rand is bland.

225 posted on 03/09/2003 11:09:52 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: A CA Guy
I give up.
You have no rational concept of "long distance bullets". -- Using that term is in itself a joke.

And, by all means, continue to give us your rightous views on controling guns through ammo prohibition.
You are a great illustration of the 'new breed' on FR.
226 posted on 03/09/2003 11:10:12 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
The problem with and for Libertarians, is that they so desperately wish to come off as enlightened, " principled ", and the best of the best. The down side for them, is that Libertarianism is NOT " old ", wasn't around ( allbeit under a different name ) during our founding, and they don't REALLY know enough history / facts to counter someone who does know these things, in a discussion/debate. They use " code " words & phrases, do NOT think rationally, and have absolutely NO ability to accept that actions/behaviors have known consequnces. In most respevcts, it's like attempting to have a logical conversation with a two or three year old. At best, they come off like a 15 year old, who imagines that he / she knows more than any adult, IS an adult, and demands the use of the car. LOL

Rand was a petty tyrant and a sexual preditor.

227 posted on 03/09/2003 11:17:37 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Roscoe
Prohibitional doublethink and fanatical political cults that urge 'bans' are the enemy.
228 posted on 03/09/2003 11:18:02 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
All bullets are long distance.
My topic of objection is about bullets that can penetrate a "protective vest" from a long distance away.
The ability of a bullet to still penetrate a protective (bullet proof) type vest after going a "long distance" is what bothers me. That really isn't needed.

I thought you were following that, sorry.
229 posted on 03/09/2003 11:18:48 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: tpaine
There has NEVER been a family unit, community, tribe, religion, nor nation, that hasn't imposed LAWS and BANS on people.
230 posted on 03/09/2003 11:19:22 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Roscoe
You're repeating your 'spam' roscoe. Take it to the backroom.
231 posted on 03/09/2003 11:20:33 PM PST by tpaine
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To: nopardons
In most respects, it's like attempting to have a logical conversation with a two or three year old.

And at least two and three year olds are hungry to learn as opposed to being willfully ignorant.

232 posted on 03/09/2003 11:22:05 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Unless that little child is hell bent on doing whatever it wants to, damn the consequences. LOL
233 posted on 03/09/2003 11:23:12 PM PST by nopardons
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To: A CA Guy
Sorry, no one can 'follow' that.

You're dismissed. Get some rest.
234 posted on 03/09/2003 11:23:27 PM PST by tpaine
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To: nopardons
whatever
235 posted on 03/09/2003 11:24:19 PM PST by tpaine
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To: nopardons
Thank goodness our Founding Fathers weren't Libertarians.

"There never was a government without force. What is the meaning of government? An institution to make people do their duty. A government leaving it to a man to do his duty or not, as he pleases, would be a new species of government, or rather no government at all." -- James Madison

236 posted on 03/09/2003 11:24:25 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
No, your endless false assertion that "prohibitions are unconstitional" is spam.

BTW, it's been a couple of years now, have you come up with a source for that nonsense yet?

237 posted on 03/09/2003 11:29:10 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
I don't get dismissed by people who have to impostor great names and yet can't afford to even fill up their own 72 Ford Pinto.

Give yourself the rest!
238 posted on 03/09/2003 11:30:47 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: nopardons
Unless that little child is hell bent on doing whatever it wants to, damn the consequences.

JimRob should call it "standing in the corner" instead of "suspended".

239 posted on 03/09/2003 11:31:00 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: tpaine
The ONLY place that Libertarian threads belong ( if they even belong on FR at all) is in the smokey back room .
240 posted on 03/09/2003 11:35:03 PM PST by nopardons
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