The problem with and for Libertarians, is that they so desperately wish to come off as enlightened, " principled ", and the best of the best. The down side for them, is that Libertarianism is NOT " old ", wasn't around ( allbeit under a different name ) during our founding, and they don't REALLY know enough history / facts to counter someone who does know these things, in a discussion/debate. They use " code " words & phrases, do NOT think rationally, and have absolutely NO ability to accept that actions/behaviors have known consequnces. In most respevcts, it's like attempting to have a logical conversation with a two or three year old. At best, they come off like a 15 year old, who imagines that he / she knows more than any adult, IS an adult, and demands the use of the car. LOL
Rand was a petty tyrant and a sexual preditor.