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Libertarian Party: Bush's Patriot Act II is Every Tyrant's Dream
Libertarian Party press release ^ | March 6, 2003 | George Getz

Posted on 03/07/2003 10:14:33 PM PST by Commie Basher

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NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
Washington DC 20037
World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org
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For release: March 6, 2003
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For additional information:
George Getz, Communications Director
Phone 202) 333-0008
E-Mail: pressreleases@hq.LP.org
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Sequel to USA Patriot Act is every tyrant's dream, Libertarians say.

WASHINGTON, DC -- Here's great news for everyone who supported the USA Patriot Act, Libertarians say: The Justice Department has secretly drafted follow-up legislation that would allow the government to make secret arrests, create a vast new DNA database of "suspected terrorists" and even strip Americans of their citizenship and deport them.

"If you liked the Patriot Act, you're going to love the sequel," said George Getz, Libertarian Party communications director. "Patriot II offers awesome government power, rapidly disappearing freedom, and an action-packed war on the Constitution. You'll be sitting on the edge of your seat as your liberties are stripped away."

The Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 (DSEA) – dubbed "Patriot II" because of its similarities to the USA Patriot Act – was secretly written by the Justice Department in January and has not yet been introduced in Congress. A draft of the legislation was leaked recently to the Center for Public Integrity and posted on its website.

"The original Patriot Act got rave reviews from authoritarians everywhere," Getz noted. "Rogue FBI agents conducting 'sneak-and-peak searches,' an e-mail spy scheme named Carnivore, secret deportations – this legislation was every petty tyrant's dream.

"It opened to a packed House – and Senate – in October 2001 and got a nearly unanimous 'thumbs up.' Clearly there's a market out there for less freedom, and Washington is rushing to cash in with a sequel."

The plot for Patriot II: A group of unscrupulous politicians in a large, Western democracy capitalize on a terrorist attack in order to vastly expand their powers. They embark on an effort to convince their subjects that by surrendering their freedom they will be protected from terrorists and other criminals.

Working along with a "Department of Justice," they subvert the Constitution by secretly crafting legislation that allows the government to:

* Make secret arrests, overturning a federal court decision requiring the government to identify persons detained in the 9/11 investigation.

* Issue secret subpoenas, and jail people who reveal to anyone except their attorney that they are the subject of a secret investigation.

* Strip citizens of their citizenship for associating with a group designated by the attorney general as a "terrorist organization," even if the individual's conduct is legal.

* Allow the attorney general to deport any foreigner, even a permanent legal resident, whose presence he deems "inconsistent with national security."

* Create a database of DNA collected from "suspected terrorists" and from non-citizens suspected of ordinary crimes.

* Conduct a wiretap for 15 days without a judge's approval, and monitor an individual's Internet and chat room visits for 48 hours without a court order.

* Overturn local court decrees that restrict police from illegal spying.

* Weaken the Freedom of Information Act to prevent journalists from learning who is being held in police custody.

Though Patriot II is expected to be a hit with politicians and much of the public, not everyone will be buying a ticket, Getz predicted.

"Libertarians and other freedom-loving Americans have panned Patriot II for obvious reasons," he said. "It's burdened by the same clichéd cast of characters as the original – a devious attorney general, an opportunistic president, and pandering politicians who hoodwink people into surrendering their freedom.

"Will anyone fall for this story line a second time?"


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ashcroft; bush; civilliberties; libertarianparty; libertarians; patriotact; pitchforktorchtime; tia; totalinformation; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/07/2003 10:14:33 PM PST by Commie Basher
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To: Commie Basher
I guess Usama is actually wining. Stick a fork in us we are done.
2 posted on 03/07/2003 10:17:05 PM PST by Agent Smith
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To: Commie Basher
"If you liked the Patriot Act, you're going to love the sequel," said George Getz, Libertarian Party communications director.

"communications director" - the guy who managed to scrape together enough to pay his phone bill this month?

3 posted on 03/07/2003 10:22:08 PM PST by strela ("Stop singing and finish your homework!")
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To: Commie Basher
You know, ironically it's FEDGOV who dropped the ball to begin with and allowed 9/11 to happen.

To hear some of this you might get the idea that our FReedom was somehow to blame for all this.

4 posted on 03/07/2003 10:25:35 PM PST by Jhoffa_ ("HI, I'm Johnny Knoxville and this is FReepin' for Zot!")
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To: strela
Oh golly, strela, those silly libertarians -- out defending the basic American principles of freedom and liberty that Republicans quit caring about some time ago. Silly, silly libertarians.
5 posted on 03/07/2003 10:26:31 PM PST by wizzler
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To: wizzler
Silly, silly libertarians.

I agree with this poast ...

6 posted on 03/07/2003 10:31:07 PM PST by strela ("Stop singing and finish your homework!")
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To: Agent Smith
You can leave. I'm staying. I am still a free man.
7 posted on 03/07/2003 10:32:06 PM PST by tomahawk
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To: Commie Basher
Whoop! What a surprise, another anti-Libertarian thread! Let's see how long this one can go before some busted filament lightbulb for a brain Republican starts making drug references.

Keep bashin' em Republicans as they keep taking votes away from you. Every little bit helps, like South Dakota, 2002!!! HOOOOOOOOO AAAHHH, that should have been 52 (R) Senators instead of 51!

8 posted on 03/07/2003 10:37:03 PM PST by xrp
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To: Commie Basher
Osama Bin Laden and the terrorists apparently get the victory. For all the good we've gained from this Bush administration, we have also taken sorely wounding hits. This is a classic example.

Sure, put a 'sunset' clause in there. Tell that to mrs. xxxlinton or the next administration that used/will use again the IRS and other agencies to prey upon patriots.

The next round will be *FAR* worse.
9 posted on 03/07/2003 10:37:13 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (The Bitter with the Sweet)
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To: Commie Basher
I think for the sake of safety many things we enjoyed the total freedom of before will be restricted for our future.

I to wish it was as it was pre-9/11, but it probably will never be in our life time.

If we act like we are in a pre-9/11 world Basher, then we will have homicide bombers or worse.

The ONLY way you stop all that is with vigilance.
That kind of vigilance restricts the previous freedoms we had in more innocent times.
We have restrictions in some areas because there are people that want all of us dead.
That is the reason for all the invasion of freedoms, not because our President wants to restrict us.
10 posted on 03/07/2003 10:37:55 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: strela
"communications director" - the guy who managed to scrape together enough to pay his phone bill this month?

The guy in charge of the party's hydroponic marijuana garden.

Add legalization of pot to "Patriot II" and you'd never hear another peep from these guys.

11 posted on 03/07/2003 10:39:15 PM PST by gg188
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To: tomahawk
What really concerns me about all this isn't what's going to happen today or tomorrow. Dubya is the best friend Conservatives have had in the White House since Reagan.. We're riding high and if anyone should worry besides the terrorists, it's out homegrown domestic terror wanna-bees like ELF and such.

So we're okay, everything is fine.

I am worried about tomorrow. I just can't help remembering this passage from the bible: "there came a "Pharaoh who knew not Joseph.."

And then they were screwed..

12 posted on 03/07/2003 10:41:31 PM PST by Jhoffa_ ("HI, I'm Johnny Knoxville and this is FReepin' for Zot!")
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To: A CA Guy
How is this Constitutional? Would you trust Bill Clinton with these powers? You are probably going to have to trust the next Democrat administration with them. Still want to back the bill?
13 posted on 03/07/2003 10:41:52 PM PST by mysterio
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To: A CA Guy
I don't think the government can guarantee our safety.

I do however think they can make life miserable by trying..

14 posted on 03/07/2003 10:45:16 PM PST by Jhoffa_ ("HI, I'm Johnny Knoxville and this is FReepin' for Zot!")
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To: gg188
Whoop! What a surprise, another anti-Libertarian thread! Let's see how long this one can go before some busted filament lightbulb for a brain Republican starts making drug references.

The guy in charge of the party's hydroponic marijuana garden. Add legalization of pot to "Patriot II" and you'd never hear another peep from these guys.

Hot damn...can I summon the morons or WHAT?!? :D

15 posted on 03/07/2003 10:45:38 PM PST by xrp
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To: xrp
Yes ... ding-ding-ding! we have a "winner."
16 posted on 03/07/2003 10:58:48 PM PST by wizzler
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To: All
There is no Patriot II Act. Ashcroft was questioned without mercy about this so called Patriot II Act last week before the Senate. He said it doesn't exist, and it doesn't, he's not in the legislative branch of government.
17 posted on 03/07/2003 11:10:43 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Commie Basher
* Allow the attorney general to deport any foreigner, even a permanent legal resident, whose presence he deems "inconsistent with national security."

* Create a database of DNA collected from "suspected terrorists" and from non-citizens suspected of ordinary crimes.

These two provisions I agree with whole-heartedly. Non-citizens can go back to their own country and force their government into submission as we had to do back in 1776, and tried to do back in the 1850's through 1860's. The rest of the act, like the first one, is a pile of marxist crap.

18 posted on 03/07/2003 11:19:21 PM PST by rodeocowboy
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To: strela
Silly, silly libertarians.

I agree with this poast ...

Wow, U republicans must B huked on foniks.

19 posted on 03/07/2003 11:21:55 PM PST by rodeocowboy
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To: Jhoffa_
Nobody can guarantee anything, but without security attempts, more 9/11 type events will happen than possible with security.

We live in different times now. It's not our fault, but we have to respond appropriately. Going about every day like nothing ever happened while there are groups that want us all dead doesn't make for an easy future in ANY event.
20 posted on 03/07/2003 11:25:09 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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