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What To Do With Khalid Shaikh Mohammed
boblonsberry.com ^ | 3/4/03 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 03/04/2003 7:03:09 AM PST by shortstop

It's not a question of whether we should kill him, it's whether we should torture him first.

I'm talking about Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

The "mastermind" of Al Qaeda, the guy who came up with September 11.

The guy who helped bomb the World Trade Center in 1993.

And who wanted to blow up 11 U.S. jetliners and crash another one into the CIA headquarters. The guy who blew up our embassies in Africa and who attacked the USS Cole and who killed Daniel Pearl and blew up that Tunisian synagogue.

That guy.

We all know how his story is going to end. He will die at the whim of the United States government.

The question is: What do we do with him until then?

Should we hook the generator to his testicles and let it rip? Do we put him in thumb screws? Do we turn him over to his countrymen and let them use their magic on him? Do we beat him with rubber hoses?

In short, do we treat him the way he has treated us? Short answer: Not exactly.

Long answer: Physical torture is not the American way, but using any means necessary to get information from a man who may know about looming terrorist attacks is the wisest and only course of action.

Because right now the issue isn't punishing Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, it is pumping him dry. By hook or by crook, every retrievable bit of useful information must be pulled from him. American lives are at stake and they are all that counts.

Presumably, he is not going to eagerly cooperate.

Presumably, he has contemplated his eventual capture for years. Presumably, he has steeled himself against the pressure of interrogation.

But presumably he's no match for the CIA.

Again, nobody is recommending or condoning physical torture. But physical discomfort along with disorientation and psychological torture and manipulation, even the use of drugs, are all things that should be considered and used. Put another way, we should screw with his head big time. We should befriend him, threaten him, confuse him, deceive him, whatever we need to to turn him to our purposes.

We should remember that he is a tool, not only in our own defense, but in the attack against his people and fellow-believers. Theirs is a war of slaughter and terror, they seek to create fear as well as mayhem. So we should use him to cause as much fear among them as possible.

And, no, he doesn't get a lawyer.

Not for a long time.

And when he does, that lawyer should wear an American military uniform. This fellow is why they have military tribunals.

And cemeteries.

We use him for everything he's worth, we exploit his name, face and mind, and then we throw him away. We make him an example for those who would follow him. This man -- as a college student in the United States -- knows all about the hospitality of our country. Now it is time for him to learn of our might. And our resolve.

He is not an accused American criminal, he is an apprehended enemy combatant. Actually, he is less than that. He does not represent an organization or state that signed the Geneva Conventions, he has no protections under international law.

He is, technically, screwed. And nobody should realize that more than he.

We all know what's going to happen. Now it's just a question of whether it's the easy way or the hard way.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: interrogatingksm; khalid; lonsberry; mohammed; shaikh
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To: shortstop
Again, nobody is recommending or condoning physical torture

Nobody? Think again, bub. Plenty are. We need the information and he needs the torture. It's a win/win.
21 posted on 03/04/2003 8:44:26 AM PST by plain talk
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To: shortstop
I've put some thought into this, primarily in mind of bin Laden, but it applies just as well to KSM.

Put him on trial and convict him of terrorism and mass murder and send him to prison. My custom made prison, just for him and his fellow-jihadis.

His uniform jumpsuit and bedding will be woven out of Owens-Corning fiberglass insulation.

The light in his cell will be provided by one fluorescent fixture that will be on 24/7, and set behind a lexan panel so it can't be broken. One tube will flicker, giving off a constant buzz.

The sink and toilet fixture in his cell will be stainless steel, and the tap will have a slow drip. The toilet will overflow at odd intervals, even when he hasn't flushed it, and the backpressure will spew the contents of the trap out to cover a radius of four or five feet. It will be placed at the head of his bed.

His bed will be a concrete slab set into the wall so that it slopes downward at a 15 degree angle.

The floor of his cell will have an electrical grid that will energize with house current from time to time.

"Afternoon Delight" by the Starland Vocal Band will blast at 124dB from speakers in his cell, sometimes just a snippet of the song, sometimes over and over for hours.

Rats and roaches will crawl up from the floor drain to build nests in his nostrils while he sleeps.

The NYPD ESU will practice cell extractions in his cell.

After a year or so of this treatment, when he has developed a constant twitch and messes his fiberglass jumpsuit at every movement, sound or flash of light, he will be transported to the lawn in front of the section of the Pentagon damaged in the 09.11.01 attacks, and he will be beaten to death by the bare hands of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

Only then will he be fed to pigs.

All of this will be broadcast live worldwide via satellite. Commercial free.

22 posted on 03/04/2003 8:48:00 AM PST by Jarhead_22
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To: shortstop
1. Put him in a room and refuse to tell him which way Mecca is. When he bitches about that tell him "you think God's on you side, let Him tell you which way to prey". After a few days tell him the toilet was specially aligned just for him. Every time he took a dump it was towards Mecca.

2. While he is unconscious implant some speakers in his ear. Get him delirious and start broadcasting in such a way as to make him think God is talking to him. Of course this particular "God" would  definitely be displeased with him and inform him that he was following Satan's wishes all along.

This demonic beast does not deserve a quick death, its much too easy for the likes of him. He should be kept alive as long as possible, in a state of agony.

23 posted on 03/04/2003 8:59:44 AM PST by Nateman
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To: Right Brother
Your problem with that scenario is that the victims relatives are probably really nice americans who wouldn't do it. OTOH some freepers might oblige.
24 posted on 03/04/2003 9:06:16 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: Jarhead_22
I worry about you! LOL
25 posted on 03/04/2003 9:08:22 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: cajungirl
I take that back,,I worry about all of us! We are some kinda vengeful people. We are enjoying this all too much.
26 posted on 03/04/2003 9:09:30 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: cajungirl
Have a public stoning in Madison Square Garden. Everyone who lost someone at the hands of Al Qaeda gets a rock.

LQ
27 posted on 03/04/2003 9:16:44 AM PST by LizardQueen
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To: shortstop
Keep him awake until he talks. Then keep him awake until he dies. With a bit of suggestion, this torture can incorporate any of the other torments suggested in this thread - after a few days without sleep, he will be delusional and can provide his own pain.

There is nothing we can do to him that is as horrible as what he has done to us, but this is as close as we'll come.

28 posted on 03/04/2003 9:54:37 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (For more on this recursive tag line, read my recursive tag line.)
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To: Calpernia
After our new trade center is up....I vote to throw him off.

Set him on fire, first.

29 posted on 03/04/2003 11:48:06 AM PST by Attillathehon
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To: cajungirl
We are some kinda vengeful people. We are enjoying this all too much.

Perhaps, but there is an incredible amount of frustration at 9/11, have to vent it somehow... The thought of him reaping what he has sown makes me happy, and I'm not ashamed of that. Just what would you propose to do to this guy?

30 posted on 03/04/2003 11:51:10 AM PST by EaglesUpForever (boycott French and German products)
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To: Jarhead_22
Have him wake up in a room that looks sort of like the sick bay of the starship Enterprise, attended by folks in silver jumpsuits. Tell him that he went into a coma from interrogation drugs and they had to freeze him until they found a way to cure him, and it's now 200 years later.

After a bit of "recuperation", bring him to Friday services. The service will consist of breast-beating and self-flagelation about the evil heritage of 20th-21st century Islam -- imagine a lecture on American history written by Noam Chomsky and do a few obvious conversions -- interspersed with self-righteous lectures about the duty of all Moslems to give special rights to women, gays, and infidels to make up for the sins of their wicked ancestors.

31 posted on 03/04/2003 11:57:55 AM PST by steve-b
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To: shortstop
My suggestion: After torturing him and getting all the information possible, take him up in a helicopter to right above where the observation deck was on the South tower, then push him out.

The fact that there wouldn't be any deck to catch him wouldn't be anyone's fault but his own.

Then, to properly dispose of his body, let hungry hogs eat it.



32 posted on 03/04/2003 12:02:15 PM PST by FirstTomato (If I think of a tagline, you all will be the first to know!)
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To: beaversmom
OK, here is my fantasy for Mohammed. Take the guy into a hangar blindfolded. I would have a character at the end of the hangar, who is looking like Ossama and have him yelling in Arabic. Take off the blindfold and then show the 10 Marines in front of the Ossama dude, executing him. Get a good Hollywood team to arrange this fake execution. Put the blindfold back on, and walk him back to the cell. Give him 15 minutes, and then bring in that Australian croc-snake dude with a cobra, and give him a chance to tell all he knows. After he has spelt all of the beans he can...bring the fake Ossama in and have him laughing...telling Mohammed in Arabic...it was a joke MO...just a joke...lighten up.

You have to treat this scum like this...they have no rights. They really don't know what living is...they are simply about death and misery. Its the biggest cult group in the world. They need a dose of reality.
33 posted on 03/04/2003 12:11:17 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: cajungirl
"La vengeance est un plat qui se mange froid."

(quote by Pierre Ambroise Francois Choderios de LaClos in his 1782 novel LES LIAISONS DANGEREUSES )

Hey, its a quote of French origin, which proves, like the memory of Layfette, that the French ain't all bad!

34 posted on 03/04/2003 12:17:58 PM PST by FirstTomato (If I think of a tagline, you all will be the first to know!)
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To: finnman69
right into a shallow pool of pigs blood???
35 posted on 03/04/2003 12:21:53 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: shortstop
Turn him over to the Spanish Inquisition (no one expects that)!
36 posted on 03/04/2003 12:26:08 PM PST by pbear8 ( sed libera nos a malo)
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To: FirstTomato
OOps! obviously that should be LaFayette, not Layfette.

37 posted on 03/04/2003 12:29:29 PM PST by FirstTomato (If I think of a tagline, you all will be the first to know!)
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To: shortstop
Put him in a cell with Queen Hitlery!
38 posted on 03/04/2003 12:31:31 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Someone left the cake out in the rain I dont think that I can take it coz it took so long to bake it)
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To: Revolting cat!
... allowing regular conjugal visits by Janet Reno!
39 posted on 03/04/2003 12:34:07 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Someone left the cake out in the rain I dont think that I can take it coz it took so long to bake it)
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To: shortstop
"It's not a question of whether we should kill him, it's whether we should torture him first."

Smear his eys and privates with honey and stake him to a large army-ant bed.

40 posted on 03/04/2003 1:07:17 PM PST by TexasRepublic
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