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COMPUTING: No bull - My blue screen of death in the afternoon
Houston Chronicle ^ | March 1, 2003 | DWIGHT SILVERMAN

Posted on 02/28/2003 11:38:50 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

NOW I know how a doctor feels when he loses a patient whose problems have cascaded from minor to fatal -- and it's partly the physician's fault.

In my case, the death in the family is my own PC. I tried treating it for the digital equivalent of a hangnail, and in the end wound up killing the poor guy. Normally, I wouldn't go into the painful details of my troubleshooting failures, but this one is so spectacular and so full of lessons to be learned that I simply must share it.

The victim is the computer that I built myself and wrote about late last year (see www.chron.com/homegrown) -- a 2.26-gigahertz Pentium 4-based system running Windows XP Professional. It's been an excellent machine, and I was just telling a friend a week or two ago how reliable and stable it's been.

Shoulda kept my mouth shut.

My problems began when I installed some new software that I plan to review -- Easy CD & DVD Creator 6, the latest version of Roxio's best-selling program for burning CDs and now DVDs. It's possible that my woes actually were percolating before this and I didn't know it, but the chain of events that turned my PC into a paperweight began with this installation.

After installing the program, I noticed that some of the icons for background programs that normally show up in the system tray were no longer there. The Task Manager showed the programs themselves were running, but I couldn't get to them via the customary icons.

It was time to launch into troubleshooting mode, a state of being I know all too well. Fire off an e-mail to Roxio tech support. Do a search on Roxio's support forums, on the Web and in Usenet news groups to see if anyone else has this problem. Scan the included help files and README.TXT documents.

I came up empty.

Next, I reinstalled a couple of the smaller programs whose icons had vanished. That worked, and they reappeared. With those minor successes under my belt, I decided to reinstall a larger program that had been affected -- Norton Antivirus 2003.

That didn't work. In fact, a major part of Norton Antivirus had quit working -- the Auto-Protect feature that scans for viruses automatically. It seemed to be permanently disabled in the program's control panel.

More troubleshooting. Back to the Web, search Symantec's knowledge base documents. Bingo! An article there indicated this problem could be caused by the Klez or Elkern viruses, by a corrupt program installation or because certain components of the program were kept from launching at startup.

I scanned the PC for viruses -- it was clean. I made sure every part of the program started as it is supposed to. The problem seemed to be a corrupt installation, so I uninstalled it and reinstalled it.

That didn't work. I did it again, with a slightly different approach. No joy. I found a knowledge base article that had detailed instructions on manually removing it, then reinstalled. Nope.

In all, I probably uninstalled and reinstalled Norton Antivirus six or seven times, using a different strategy each time. It would just not work.

Well, maybe Roxio's product was the cause. I uninstalled it, then went through the uninstall / reinstall dance again with Norton. Big fat nada.

At this point, most of my PC was still functioning. I had Internet access and I could get to all my drives. I just felt naked without antivirus protection. And that's when I made my biggest mistake, the one that sent my PC into intensive care.

Windows XP has a nifty feature called System Restore. It can roll back the settings and even restore some files from a previous point in time. Just the other day, my brother-in-law nearly wept with joy after I walked him through it to fix a serious problem. System Restore saved his butt, but in this case, it kicked mine.

My boneheaded move was to have System Restore pull up settings and files from a point too far back in time, before I had made major substantive changes to my PC's setup. For example, in order to make sure Easy CD & DVD Creator worked properly, I uninstalled a competing product I'd been trying, Nero Burning ROM 5.5. I made the mistake of telling System Restore to go back to when Nero was still present on my system. When Windows came up, its registry settings expected to find Nero -- only it was no longer there.

Suddenly, I no longer had access to my CD drives. I couldn't get Windows to reinstall the drivers for them. And, for some reason, I no longer had access to my home network, nor to the Internet.

No drives. No Internet access. No network. No antivirus protection.

No brains!

Not only that, but System Restore wouldn't launch now to possibly allow me to undo my mistake. In fact, nothing related to the Windows Help system, of which System Restore is a part, would launch.

At this point, desperation overwhelmed me. I knew I could boot the PC from the CD-ROM, so I dug out my Windows XP disk and jumped at what I hoped would be the final solution.

I could boot from the CD because newer computers can access those kinds of drives early in the bootup process, before the operating system grabs control. I would reinstall Windows by booting from the CD. But upon the first reboot in the Windows XP setup, I got a blue screen of death.

I was later able to coax the setup routine back into action, but now that Windows was partially installed, my CD drives were no longer recognized. The computer once again couldn't see the CD drives to access the Windows XP disk.

And that, for now, is where I've left it. There are other things I can do, but I have a feeling I know what I'm going to end up doing -- formatting the hard drive and reinstalling Windows and all my applications. My weekend is now spoken for.

Where did I go wrong? I'd love to hear from you if you are aware of something I could have done differently along this treacherous path. If you'd been in my situation, how would you have handled it?

And please, no "you should have been using a Mac" e-mails. Consider that a given.

Send e-mail to dwight.silverman@chron.com. His Web site is www.dwightsilverman.com.


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It sounds like he wants some help. I thought a FReeper might have the answer.
1 posted on 02/28/2003 11:38:50 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Give it last rites and a nice burial.
2 posted on 02/28/2003 11:47:14 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~All our ZOT are belong to us~)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Roxio caused me some dang headaches. As Silverman learned never restore from too far back (unless you rarely make system changes). That said, I still think system restore is an excellent addition to WInXP.
3 posted on 02/28/2003 11:47:47 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Texas_Jarhead
I don't have any clue about this stuff. I'm still amazed computers work!
4 posted on 02/28/2003 11:52:23 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Not enough info. Was norton disabled when the Roxio programs were installed ?

Was the PC shut-down after the Roxio install ?

I first would have deleted the ShellIconCache file, then shutdown and do a cold start. The shelliconcache file gets rebuilt.
5 posted on 02/28/2003 11:53:11 PM PST by stylin19a (it's cold because it's too hot...- Global Warming-ists explanation for cold wave)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If you had a real copy of XP you could reinstall it, then reinstall the programs. The data and document files would be untouched. My sister's machine had hard disk errors that produced many of these symptoms.
6 posted on 02/28/2003 11:53:37 PM PST by js1138
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To: Texas_Jarhead
The c:\Scanreg /restore from "boot to command prompt" in Win98 is also great.

Saved a client's system more than once.

Your right though - any "go back" or "restore" should be used carefully. Do not go back to far - only as far as necessary.
7 posted on 02/28/2003 11:56:34 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: CyberCowboy777
A big ole Constitution party BUMP to ya. Don't run across others too often (even around here).
8 posted on 03/01/2003 12:01:15 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Texas_Jarhead

I never did like it.

Dumping Nero for Roxio is like ditching Linda Vester for Madonna.

Some things just shouldn't be done.. and, as such deserve reprisal!

9 posted on 03/01/2003 12:01:25 AM PST by Jhoffa_ (Jhoffa_X)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
For future reference you could use this handy program to run an unattended Restore Point Creation as a Scheduled Task.

I haven't tried it though, just found it.

http://www.dougknox.com/xp/scripts_desc/xp_sysrestorepoint.htm
10 posted on 03/01/2003 12:06:57 AM PST by Master of Orion
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Roxio software is more sensitive to the quality of hardware connections. Marginal CD devices fail to meet the requirements.

First test is to disconnect the IDE or SCSI connector and then the power and any other connectors to the CD device.

Then try to start the PC.

IF it works, get a new Yamaha mechanism or some other which is likely to provide the kind of service which can keep up with the CD burning software.

11 posted on 03/01/2003 12:08:40 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Another tool to have in your toolbox is the System Recovery Console. You can run it from the CD by booting off the CD, select Repair, and then select recovery console. After you log on as administrator, you could have disabled all the services associated with Roxio. Roxio does some pretty nasty stuff with their drivers. Some of their filter drivers don't even uninstall completely, so installing it is a one way ticket. If you had disabled their services at least that may have cut the interference with some of the other programs.

Recovery console will also let you delete or rename files. Here again, you may have been able to rename or delete Roxio's drivers assuming you knew what their name was.

Of course hindsight is always easier than foresight.

Good luck on your reload!

12 posted on 03/01/2003 12:11:19 AM PST by Lurkus Maximus
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Howdy!

There are a few...somewhere!
13 posted on 03/01/2003 12:16:11 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I make a disk image of my C: drive every week. I use DriveImage. Norton Ghost will do the same thing. No matter what goes wrong, I have a copy of the way the disk was no later than two weeks ago. If I have to, I can re-format the drive and put it back exactly as it was the last time it worked. Doing this has saved my butt a half-dozen times.

I also burn a copy just before doing an installation of anything hairy, like a new video or sound driver. If the new one hoses things up, I don't even uninstall it; I write over the whole partition with the disk copy. That way I'm sure it's gone, and I'm sure that everything else is back the way it was.

14 posted on 03/01/2003 12:23:21 AM PST by Nick Danger (Freeps Ahoy! Caribbean cruise May 31... from $610 http://www.freeper.org)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And please, no "you should have been using a Mac" e-mails.

It's too late now to say "you should have been using a Mac". It would have avoided the miserable experience he described, but that's water under the bridge now.

But if he wants to avoid those problems in the future, he should throw his low quality crap computer in the dumpster - and get a Mac.

15 posted on 03/01/2003 12:24:59 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: Jhoffa_
Read some bad things about Roxio so I didn't install any of it when I put on my new Norton software. Nero's been good for me.

For Norton Anti Virus problems, don't do an unistall through the control panel or system but download the uninstallers from the Symantec website and use them before reinstall. Also he could have a virus made to corrupt his Norton that makes him think it's running when it isn't. I did. My Anti virus would fall off ( stop running after a few seconds ) and the "Live Update" would freeze up. The Symantec site also has something to download called "Smart Update" that runs different than the CD install. That found and deleted my virus. He may also have to go in and manually delete some Norton setting files that were created on install.
16 posted on 03/01/2003 12:33:04 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
10 to 1 this guy has the bios virus detection turned on.

My dislike for Norton goes back to Win 3.1, it's always caused more trouble than it ever fixes. (Any software that wants to be "king of the computer" clashes with me tho, cause that's my job.;-))

I've yet to see Roxio install and work without trashing things up. The best uninstall is not to install it in the first place.

That's 3 strikes right there, and I can tell he's a virus paranoid too.

17 posted on 03/01/2003 12:39:53 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber!)
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To: Jhoffa_
You're right about Roxio. When Adaptec had Easy CD it worked great for me. I "upgraded" when Roxio took it and never could get it to work. Nero has worked for me on several types of drives, including those that Roxio used strictly for making coasters.
18 posted on 03/01/2003 1:36:15 AM PST by jammer
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To: jammer

Oh yeah.. Nero recognizes my drive's buffer under-run hardware. Haven't burned a bad disk yet.

Roxio and (to my surprise) Hotburn (By IOMega) were just wasteful in that regard. Just awful.

19 posted on 03/01/2003 1:38:15 AM PST by Jhoffa_ (Jhoffa_X)
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To: HAL9000
And please, no "you should have been using a Mac" e-mails. Consider that a given.

Are you saying that you SHOULD have been using a Mac and that THAT was a given? Of course I agree with you and sympathize with you and would never be heard to say that, "you should have been using a Mac" LOL. However if you are saying that your NOT using a Mac is a given, then all I can say is SUCKA and, in the spirt of Christian charity, "You deserve what you get.", and, finally, enjoy the rest of your miserable computing career in thrall to Bill Gates and the Empire of Micro$loth. Flame on. I am heading for the storm cellar.
20 posted on 03/01/2003 2:49:47 AM PST by drjoe
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