FREEPERS...Need to support movie GODS AND GENERALS

[Gopher Broke]

Below is a note from Howard Phillips on this great movie...I plan to see it this weekend. My friends tell me this movie is EXCELLENT

The Liberal media HATES this movie because it shows soldiers praying and reading the Bible....so we need to SUPPORT IT!

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As some of you know, I was involved with the premiere of "Gods and Generals" here in Richmond thru the Museum of the Confederacy. I am sending along this comment, with a hope that you will take in the film. The liberal press has already bashed it, and unless there is good attendance this week, you will not see it on the big screen!

Barton ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear friend,

If you are like me, you seldom go to the movies.

This weekend, I urge you to make an exception, so that you will be among the first to see the greatest American history movie ever made - - - "Gods and Generals".

It is important that you see the movie this weekend, because next week it may be gone.

That's because in this age of moral corruption, gratuitous violence, and degrading, profane "music", there may not be much of an audience for "Gods and Generals"- - - in which case theater managers will pull it in favor of a more lucrative production.

"Gods and Generals" is an historically accurate account of America's Civil War, in which Southerners waged their "Second War of Independence" - - - led by General Robert E. Lee, who was, by marriage, a descendant of General George Washington, the man who led the rebel forces against King George III after the colonies had declared themselves to be free and independent states.

General Lee is faithfully portrayed in "Gods and Generals" by one of America's greatest actors, Robert Duvall - - - accompanied by Stephen Lang, who brilliantly depicts General Stonewall Jackson, a great Christian man whose strategic genius is still studied at military training institutes all over the world.

Carrying out Abraham Lincoln's orders to "preserve the Union" by invading the Southern states, is Colonel Joshua Chamberlain of Maine, played by Jeff Daniels. Mira Sorvino delivers a great performance as Mrs. Chamberlain (even as Kali Roca gives life to Mrs. Anna Jackson).

There are other memorable characterizations by Brian Mallon as General Winfield Scott Hancock, by Bruce Boxleitner as General James Longstreet, by Bo Brinkman, by Kevin Conway, and by others.

Some present day politicians have cameo appearances in the film: Senators Phil Gramm of Texas, Robert Byrd of West Virginia, and George Allen of Virginia, as well as Congressmen Dana Rohrabacher of California and Ed Markey of Massachusetts.

American Enterprise Magazine says " 'GODS & GENERALS' is not only the finest movie ever made about the Civil War, it is also the best American historical film. Period."

This movie is highly entertaining - - - but I am writing to you because it is so profoundly educational.

As the father of 6 children, with 14 grandchildren, I know how hard it is to convey the truth in the face of Left-wing media and the inadequacy and misdirection of the government schools. My wife and I are home-schooling parents.

"Gods and Generals" has been a great encouragement to my family and to all of my friends who have seen it.

Virtually every word, every scene in the film, is historically accurate. It is not fiction. You will see how Americans - - - on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line - - - prayed, how they lived, how they fought, and how they sacrificed.

"Gods and Generals" will afford you a greater understanding of American history, of our U.S. Constitution as originally understood, and of our heritage.

That is why, as Chairman of the American History Education Project of the U.S. Taxpayers Institute, a non-profit charitable and educational organization, I am sending this e-mail to you and to others who I am confident will thank me - - - if they follow my advice and see the film - - - this weekend if at all possible.

Please send me a return e-mail after you have seen the film to let me know what you think. I will be grateful for your comments.

With appreciation and best wishes, I am

Sincerely

Howard Phillips Chairman American History Education Project

[KC_Conspirator]

I heard they have brought back the time honored traditon of the "intermission" back for this movie.

[WhiskeyPapa]

The thousands of loyal blacks, slave and free that voluntarily served in Southern forces - in INTEGRATED units - not segregated ones as was the case in the Union forces.

That's not true.

Or rather its not true to suggest that these blacks were combat soldiers in any stretch of the imagination. Prominent rebels made it plain that white soldiers would not bivouac or serve with blacks. And there is no credible proof they ever did.

Walt

[AdSimp]

"BTW...Sultan, you gotta git AdminSimp to shorten his screen name."

But Mud, that would literally take an act of Congress! Besides, "Healthcare Complexification" is already taken! (I am still waiting to hear GWB use that in a speech.)

[WhiskeyPapa]

Saying that Lincoln was basically evil, or had evil motives in what he did, is as crazy as saying that X42 was basically good. That doesn't mean people won't do it.

Like the Bible, Lincoln can be quoted to prove about anything. But the whole record shows he was willing to extend equal rights to all men. That is why the confederates hated him, and that is why the neo-confederates attack his memory.

Walt

[carlo3b]

Mud, I was tempted to pass on the film because of my self imposed boycott against anything that benefits the Hollywood Left. However after reading the critics and their whining about the unfairness of the depiction of the confederate scoundrels in prayer, I thought.... Shaazam

Then I recalled that I had the pleasure of outbidding a Turner lackey at a Civil War memorabilia auction a few years back, it was a minor object, but I relished the victory..LOLOL.. I asked the curator what Ted Turner wanted with Confederate war documentation, and he told me TT was a fanatic re: the Southern Cause.

Soooo... I decided to go only if I and the kid would give these Bastards the least amount of profit, and partake of every possible discount, Matinee, student, senior, ladies day, rain delay, 2 fer coupons, whatever!! .....LOLOLOLOL
Hell, I now would pay double to see it again, and I'm going to bring all of my kids, and the older grand kid. The 4 hours flew by! Trust me see it on the big screen, the battles are breathtaking in their honesty.

Perhaps if we show these jerks that getting it right can be a rewarding experience for all, they might do it again.  Anyhow, thats my story and I'm sticking to it!!

[Cap'n Crunch]

Went to see the movie with my wife, 14 year old daughter and 10 year old son. The theater was packed. Great movie.

They almost had me shedding a few tears when the "rebs" cheered for the Irish Brigade after their charge on Marye's Heights at Fredericksburg.

[Cap'n Crunch]

I just look at it as a way to speed up the 2nd civil war.

[4CJ]

It is a neo-Confederate myth that any blacks at all fought for the Confederacy. In fact, such was specifically prohibited by CSA law until March 1865, after which a few groups of slave laborers were dubbed batallions and such, but none fought or were even armed.

Nonsense, several were in my gggrandfathers company, and there were nine loyal blacks in one with another ancestor from Georgia. I have one book on the subject which documents numerous cases (as does the Official Records), there are others. The CSA might have prohibited their service, but numerous states did not.

The only two regiments of southern blacks raised for the Confederacy were of free blacks in New Orleans. The rebels refused to accept them and left them behind when they retreated, whereupon these blacks enlisted in the U.S. Army (same one soon to kick Saddam's ass).

I hope they kick Sadaams butt, but the state of Tennessee allowed blacks into service the 1st year of the war, Virginia raised several regiments at the end of the war, and other states allowed their service as well. The vast majority of blacks that served volunteered to accompany their masters and were with them in battle. In the existing records, it is readily apparent that "soldier" was crossed out on enlistment records, so many are listed as cooks, musicians, sutlers, nurses etc. There are numerous documented accounts of black sharpshooters wreaking havoc among union forces, and blacks returning from battle alone with union prisioners. Just as there are documented cases of captured blacks refusing to pledge loyalty to union forces in return for there freedom.

The four million blacks in the South who remained under CSA control were SLAVES.

So? The choose to stay, very few fled or deserted the homeland. Do you really think that slaves were such wusses that they couldn't escape a bunch of women and children if they wanted too?

[billbears]

And without Abraham Lincoln, we would not be living in the UNITED States of America, so all patriots should indeed celebrate him.

No, I would be living in the Confederate States of America, much closer to the Constitution then the Empire is today. So, no I will not celebrate him and I am a patriot

[joesbucks]

I've read your responses. I share many of your issues with Ted.

Too bad Christ doesn't opennly tell us today how to deal with these issues that aren't easy to decide.

Overly rigid may be as bad as financially supporting.

[FBD]

Thanks for the ping Mud.

I'll see it, but I'll wait till it comes out on video.
I don't want anything to do with a single penny going to Turner. At least knowingly.

Afronaut, thanks for pointing that out...

FRegards,
FBD

[Mudboy Slim]

"I'll see it, but I'll wait till it comes out on video. I don't want anything to do with a single penny going to Turner. At least knowingly. Afronaut, thanks for pointing that out..."

Guess we'll need to five-finger the Video...LOL!!

FReegards...MUD

[4CJ]

No, I would be living in the Confederate States of America, much closer to the Constitution then the Empire is today. So, no I will not celebrate him and I am a patriot

Bump!

[rustbucket]

Every Confederate soldier was a Democrat. The hatred within the Democratic Party for the UNITED States of America, the Constitution, ands the flag goes back to the 1860s and beyond.

Let's see Jefferson Davis's "hate" in his farewell speech to the Senate:

If you will but allow us to separate from you peaceably, since we cannot live peaceably together, to leave with the rights that we had before we were united, since we cannot enjoy them in the Union, then there are many relations which may still subsist between us, drawn from the associations of our struggles from the revolutionary era to the present day, which may be beneficial to you as well as to us.

...if we must leave you, we can leave you with the good will which would prefer that your prosperity should continue. If we must part, I say we can put our relations upon that basis which will give you the advantages of a favored trade with us, and still make the intercourse mutually beneficial to each other.

Sorry. I don't see "hate" there.

If the Democrats hated the Constitution so much, why was the Confederate Constitution in most instances word-for-word from the US Constitution? The Democrats of the Civil War era revered the Constitution, while the Republicans in the North held there were higher laws than the Constitution and looked the other way when Northern states refused to honor their Constitutional pledge to return escaped slaves.

[Mudboy Slim]

"The 4 hours flew by! Trust me see it on the big screen, the battles are breathtaking in their honesty."

I'm in a quandary here...what should I do?! A ha...I shall sneak into the movie theater and pay double fer popcorn and candy...maybe even buy off the ticket taker with a donation, "Oh, I'm sorry, is that YER crisp new $20 bill I found on the floor, my FRiend?!" A common practice fer architects when dealing with local building inspectors...BWAHAHAHA!!

If there's a WILL, there's a FReepin' WAY...MUD

[WhiskeyPapa]

The four million blacks in the South who remained under CSA control were SLAVES.

So?

Slavery is wrong.

"There seems to be no evidence that the Negro soldiers authorized by the Confederate Government (March 13, 1865) ever went into battle. This gives rise to the question as to whether or not any Negroes ever fought in the Confederate ranks. It is possible that some of the free Negro companies organized in Louisiana and Tennessee in the early part of the war took part in local engagements; but evidence seems to the contrary.

(Authors note: If they did, their action was not authorized by the Confederate Government.) A company of "Creoles," some of whom had Negro blood, may have been accepted in the Confederate service at Mobile. Secretary Seddon conditioned his authorization of the acceptance of the company on the ability of those "Creoles" to be naturally and properly distinguished from Negroes. If persons with Negro Blood served in Confederate ranks as full-fledged soldiers, the per cent of Negro blood was sufficiently low for them to pass as whites."

(Authors note: Henry Clay Warmoth said that many Louisiana mulattoes were in Confederate service but they were "not registered as Negroes." War Politics and Reconstruction, p. 56)

--p. 160-61, SOUTHERN NEGROES, Wiley

"The slave's alleged contentment in slavery and loyalty to the Confederacy, so elaborately celebrated on the political stump during the years after the overthrow of Reconstruction, had not quite convinced their masters during the war."

Genovese, "Roll, Jordan, Roll: The World The Slaves Made", 1974,p. 128

"Under prodding from General Lee, President Davis and his government finally decided to face up to a hopeless situation and to reach fro the dreaded expedient (authorizing black soldiers). But the decision came too late for implementation and for the historic test it would have created. The howls of rage from Davis's opponents, even faced with the annihilation of their dreams, remain revealing both for their implicit fears and for the tenacity of the dying order's central myth.

Roared Howell Cobb: I think that the proposition to make soldiers of our slaves is the most pernicious idea that has been suggested since the war began. . . You cannot make soldiers of slaves or slaves of soldiers. . . The day you make soldiers of them is the beginning of the end of the revolution. If slaves make good soldiers, our whole theory of slavery is wrong.

The Richmond Examiner joined the assault:

"We have been accustomed to think in this Southern country that the best friends of the Negroes were their own masters. . . But now the President of the Confederate States opens quite another view of the matter. According to his message it is a rich reward for faithful services to turn a Negro wild. Slavery, then, in the eyes of Mr. Davis, keeps the Negro out of something which he has the capacity to enjoy. . . If the case be so, then slavery is originally, radically, incurably wrong and sinful, and the sum of barbarism."

ibid, p. 129

Ask yourself why these folks were so upset, if as you say Negroes had been fighting as soldiers in the armies of the CSA all along? They were there, how did they miss it? -- From the ACW moderated newsgroup

There is no credible evidence of more than a handful of black rebel soldiers.

Walt

[4CJ]

If there's a WILL, there's a FReepin' WAY...MUD

LOL. If you hold such objections, FReepmail me your address - I'll pay the price of your ticket to Gods & Generals, but you have to pay for your own coke & popcorn ;o)

The movie is mesmerizing and is over all too soon.

[Mudboy Slim]

"My book, "Back to Basics for the Republican Party", is a history of the GOP from the Republican point of view. My presentations to Republican groups often get standing ovations."

Perhaps, perhaps NOT!! But yer statement in #3 makes you look like an in-bred scalawag, my FRiend...MUD

[billbears]

What the neocons and yankees refuse to admit is that in the 1860s, the Republican party was the big government party while Democrats tended (sadly there were some that agreed with Republicans on government) to be the smaller government sort. It goes all the way back to the Anti-Federalist/Federalist argument

[Mudboy Slim]

Sincerely appreciate the offer, my FRiend, but I like the idea of payin' cash so that TedTurner don't git no proceeds, even from YOU!!

LOL and FReegards...MUD