Posted on 02/21/2003 7:15:36 PM PST by SeenTheLight
I’ve asked myself on many occasions: “When there are so many other countries in the world that do injustice both to their own people and to others, why does the Left focus so exclusively on Israel?”
What about China’s occupation of Tibet or Syria’s occupation of Lebanon? What about the repression and tyranny of the Arab nations surrounding democratic Israel, including the Palestinians who, let’s not forget, practice honor killings, lynch “collaborators,” suppress the media, and whose leaders funnel funds meant for the people to terrorists?
The real reason the left hates Israel is two-fold. First of all, they have been hijacked by Palestinian Nationalism and secondly, they don’t like uppity Jews. And to mollify those who will immediately claim that anti-Israel sentiments do not amount to anti-Semitism, let me just say that I don’t buy it.
I’m not sure when Palestinian Nationalism began to seep into the Left’s dogma, but it appears to have been in the last 15 years or so. I first noticed this trend during a protest of the Gulf War, where I saw pro-Palestinian propaganda with a distinctly anti-Semitic edge to it. It was around this time that the term “Zionists” began to be used as a fill-in for all Jews who simply supported the continuing existence of the state of Israel and as such, were deserving of contempt. In short, “Zionist” became the politically correct term for “Hebe.” The years since have only solidified this pattern and these days, the anti-war protesters are more hateful than ever.
I’ve had the unique experience, while taking part recently in counter-protests, of witnessing the wrath of the Palestinian Nationalists up close and personal. The graying hippies wearing Intifada T-shirts and spitting in my face, women in burkas unfurling Palestinian flags in front of my signs, Arab-American teenagers telling me they want to “kill all the Jews,” and being called a “Zionist Pig,” are just a few of the precious moments I’ve taken home from “peace” rallies. This is the ugly side of the anti-war movement, among others, and they don’t want it publicized.
Indeed, the formerly celebrated Jewish liberal Michael Lerner, has recently been excommunicated for daring to criticize A.N.S.W.E.R., the main organizer of the anti-war protests. This is apparently a no-no among a movement that doesn’t tolerate dissent. Lerner also committed the crime of refusing to consign Israel to the dustbin of history. He didn’t go along with the program and for that, he became persona non grata.
The Left only likes Jews as long as they’re victims, passively marching to the Nazi death camps, or in this case, to the Mediterranean Sea. They can deny that they’re anti-Semitic by pointing to their loyal Jewish comrades, who fail to recognize their enemies. These Jews are acceptable because they either want the destruction of Israel too or at the very least, won’t stand in the way. But give a Jew a gun or God forbid, a tank, and suddenly they become the enemy. The Left, it seems, prefers suicidal Jews to tough ones.
The Left demands nothing of the Palestinians and everything of the Israelis. What, besides anti-Semitism, accounts for this double-standard? The anti-war crowd can continue to try and claim the moral high ground when it comes to questions of war and peace, but none of it will ring true, so long as their blatant hatred for Jews festers in the background.
With that attitude you sentence them all to second class citizenship or worse for the crimes of a few. And then you wonder why some of them are upset.
That sounds like a different way of saying every single Palestinian deserves to die or live in poverty.
Not as if you're prejudiced or anything.
What attitude? I asked you for a practical suggestion. How do you prevent the genocidal maniacs from getting on buses, while not inconveniencing the innocent ones? You didn't provide a reasonable solution for avoiding terrorist attachs, you only scolded me having an "attitude." Damn right I have an "attitude."
The Israelis who ride buses are just as innocent as the "oppressed Palestinians" you care so much about. You must think that blowing up a few busloads full of Jews every now and then is not too great a price to pay so that your beloved "innocents" shouldn't have to suffer from "humiliation" at checkpoints.
(Mat 24:32 NKJV) "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. (Mat 24:33 NKJV) "So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near; at the doors! (Mat 24:34 NKJV) "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
The left is of the devil, therefore they hate what the devil hates. He tried to destroy the Jews during World War II so that the prophesy of their return to the land, a sign of Christ's coming and Satan's doom, could not occur. He also hates America. America has brought freedom to more people than any other nation in history. Were it not for America in the 20th century, imagine what the world would have been like, with nothing to stand against Naziism, Japanese Imperialism, Communism and Islamic fanaticism. And it is still the nation which sends out more Bibles and missionaries to the world by far than any other nation.
Read and learn--
http://notendur.centrum.is/~snorrigb/mufti4.htm
Muftism and Nazism
4. Working for the Nazis
However the Mufti was not satisfied with unofficial or moral help from the Nazis. What he wanted were official statements. On 21 July 1937, he tried to establish an even closer relationship with Germany when he paid a visit to the new German Consul-General, Döhle, in Palestine. He repeated his former support for Germany and "wanted to know to what extent the Third Reich was prepared to support the Arab movement against the Jews".
Though the Germans officially refused to change their policy, they gave more attention to Palestine. In September 1937 two young SS officers, Karl Adolf Eichmann and Herbert Hagen, were sent to Palestine. They had the clear objective of getting "acquainted with the country and the life and to establish contact with people" among others the Mufti. Although he had already escaped arrests from the British authorities and was not seeking refuge among the Lebanese Muslims he soon found himself well established as a German agent.
They must have got along fine because in 1938, according to Brenner, the Mufti was already on the payroll of Abwehr II, the German counterintelligence and sabotage division. However, Yisraeli dates his reception of German money from as early as 1936.
In 1938 the Abwehr II had plans to deliver shiploads of arms to the Mufti, by way of Saudi Arabia and later Iraq. However, they cancelled the cargo because of British protest.
Since the Axis could not extend their claws deeper into Palestine's political life, Iraq became the victim through the Mufti's massive organisation. The Iraqis accepted him as an Arab national hero and he soon established his headquarters in Baghdad. The Iraqi government sponsored his activities as well as private "charity" organisations, special taxation on every Iraqi governmental official, vast sums of Palestinian Arab donations. Added to all this were large contributions from Germany and Italy, Saudi-Arabia and Egypt. This allowed him to live a life in luxury and continue his propaganda against the British and Jews. His propaganda succeeded in establishing a group of pro-Axis officials.
Early in 1941 the Mufti and the "Golden Square" pro-German army officers, led by General Rashid Ali, forced the Iraqi Prime Minister, the pro-British Nuri Said Pasha, to resign. In May he declared jihad against Britain. This meant that the Muslims, at least his supporters, were committed in the fight against Britain, "the greatest foe of Islam". The pro-Axis coup had proved successful, but it did not last for long. In a few months British troops had crushed the rebellion and the Mufti had to vanish again; this time his destination was Germany, via Iran, Turkey and Mussolini's office in Rome.
The Mufti in Berlin
The Mufti had blamed the Iraqi Jews for the unsuccessful coup d'etat in Iraq. He called them "the fifth column in Iraq", the very ones whose ancestors had lived there since the Babylonian captivity.
Some Iraqi soldiers and civilians agreed with the Mufti and attacked the Jews who had gathered in public to cheer the new government. The results were horrifying: around 600 Jews, some say 179, were killed, thousands injured in the farhud and 586 shops and warehouses looted.
A committee of inquiry, appointed by the Iraqi government, discovered that Haj Amin had been one of the main figures behind the pogrom. Since Haj Amin had adopted the policy of blaming Jews for everything that went wrong, there was no surprise that he allied himself with the Nazi government in Berlin.
On 20 November 1941 the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop, received him in Berlin. Their talks were the basis for the meeting with Hitler the following day. Details of the Mufti's conversation with hitler were documented in the Mufti's diary and by the Germans, given in the appendix. The main themes were:
The Mufti... The Arabs are Germany's natural friends... They are therefore prepared to cooperate with Germany with all their hearts and stood ready to participate in a war, not only negatively by the commission of act of sabotage and the instigation of revolutions, but also positively by the formation of an Arab Legion... In this struggle, the Arabs were striving for the independence and the unity of Palestine, Syria and Iraq. ... The Führer... Germany was resolved, step by step, to ask one European nation after the other to solve its Jewish problem, and at the proper time direct a similar appeal to non European nations as well.
The Führer did not give, however, official support to the Arab cause, mainly because of "military reasons". He proposed, however, as soon as the German armies would pass into the Southern Caucasus the Arabs would be liberated from the British yoke and Germany's objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power... The moment that Germany's tank divisions and air squadrons had made their appearance south of Caucasus, the public appeal requested by the Grand Mufti could go out to the Arab world.
The master plan of Hitler and the Mufti was, thus, first to solve the Jewish problem in Europe and subsequently tackle the problem in the Middle East. The Mufti raised no objections, he fully and gladly participated in the destruction of European Jewry. However, he had to wait until the German armies would enter the Caucasus for the destruction of the Mizrachi Jews who had been living in the Middle East since time immemorial.
The Mufti's part of the deal was to raise support for Germany among the Muslims in the Soviet Union, the Balkans and the Middle East. For that purpose the Germans founded the "Arab Bureau", under his leadership, in Berlin. The Mufti's activities in the Third Reich
The Berlin based headquarters of the Mufti controlled almost a world-wide net of collaborators. Sponsored by German money he extended his claws to the Middle East, as well as to other areas where Muslims lived. His main activities were: 1) Radio propaganda; 2) Espionage and fifth column activities in the Middle East; 3) Organising Muslims into military units in Axis-occupied countries; and 4) Establishing some German controlled Arab Legions and the Arab Brigade. He visited the Balkans, had his picture taken saluting Hitler, met Ante Pavelic, the Croatian "butcher" and dictator, and was even in touch with Emperor Hirohito of Japan. Also, he was in charge of supervising Axis propaganda to Muslims all over the world and himself went on the radio on several occasions and his broadcasts were among the most violent pro-Axis utterances ever produced. He had at his disposal no less than six "freedom stations"... urging the Arabs of Palestine and Moslems all over the world, including those in the United States, to rise against the Allies, join the fifth column, commit acts of sabotage, and kill the Jews... In addition, Haj Amin supplied the Middle East with propaganda papers and pamphlets in Arabic.
His greatest achievement was, however, the recruitment of tens of thousands of the Muslims in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Albania to the Waffen SS. His Arab Legions later participated in massacring tens of thousands of partisan Serbs, Jews and Gypsies. In 1943 there were 20,000 Muslims under arms in "his" division of the Waffen SS, the Handschar. (See: George Lepre, Himmler's Bosnian Division. The Waffen-SS Handschar Division 1943-1945, Schiffer Military History, Atglen, PA, 1997). Nevertheless, the Balkan adventure was only his spare-time activity because his main interest was the fight against World Jewry. In the annual protest against the Balfour Declaration, which in 1943 was staged in the large Luftwaffe hall in Berlin, the Mufti attacked the "Anglo-Saxon and Jewish conspiracy" phrase he so frequently used, and said: The Treaty of Versailles was a disaster for the Germans as well as for the Arabs. But the Germans know how to get rid of the Jews. That which brings us close to the Germans and sets us in their camp is that up to day.
On 1 March 1944 he added in a broadcast from Berlin: "Arabs! Rise as one and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor." The Mufti did not only intend to massacre the Yishuv Jewry, his hatred of the World Jewry had already driven him to participate in the Nazi Final Solution.
Peace begins when you realize that I will burn your house down and kill you and everyone in it if I catch you planting explosives under my front porch....
The Israelis who ride buses are just as innocent as the "oppressed Palestinians" you care so much about. You must think that blowing up a few busloads full of Jews every now and then is not too great a price to pay so that your beloved "innocents" shouldn't have to suffer from "humiliation" at checkpoints.
I do not think you can take a small part of the problem, isolate it, and find an isolated solution. The entire social fabric needs fixing. We have Palestinians in the US who do not blow up buses or have to be segregated.
Do you deny the Israeli society is segregated, far past occasional humiliation? Is that OK with you?
But that happened 60 years ago.
What does that have to do with the children or grandchildren of those collaborators as a group?
You have to take a better stand than that if you're going to solve the mideast problem. The problem is to redress the imbalance of state-enforced tyranny with individual rights. The state can help or hurt the situation. You might be sitting pretty if you were an Israeli homeowner. You might also if you were a Palestinian or Jordanean homeowner. But the latter has a lot more chance of having his home confiscated by Israeli settlement land grabs. Let's say you were a Jordanean whose land was grabbed by the state. A few months later, there would be an Israeli settlement on your former land. Then what would you do? If I may extrapolate from your statement, it sounds as if you would revolt against the state.
The children and grandchildren of those collaborators hate Jews even more than their parents and grandparents did....
You probably haven't noticed....
It would not be "occupied territory". It would be my territory gained when my "good neighbors" got their sorry asses kicked.
Don't want me to "occupy" your territory? Don't attempt to invade my country and lose....
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Islamic Jihad, Hamas and Fatah's armed wing, Aksa Martyrs' Brigades, said in separate statements that they plan to step up their attacks against Israel in response to an initiative calling for a one-year truce with Israel. The initiative was announced Friday by Mahmoud Abbas, the PLO's No. 2, during an official visit to Russia CLICK HERE for rest of thread
Even if your side signed a treaty not to promote settlements on that territory?
Don't want me to "occupy" your territory? Don't attempt to invade my country and lose...
Might makes right. Don't be surprised then if the conflict spreads rather than settles down. And yeah, it might just get to your porch.
It would not be "occupied territory". It would be my territory gained when my "good neighbors" got their sorry asses kicked.
Sounds like you condone terrorism, just as long as it is state sponsored.
And you seem to condone terrorism, just as long as it can't be linked back to a sponsoring state....
I think an army private killing Indian children at Sand Creek Massacre said it best. "Nits grow to lice."
Hey, I know, maybe just round them all up and put them in camps in the desert. Then give them diseased blankets and scraps for food. Take away anything of value, let them starve for a couple of generations. After 60 years, rediscover them when they are practically extinct and let the few survivors build tax free casinos. Yeah, that's the ticket. [/sarcasm]
And when it gets to my porch here in Northern California, look for the sand in some Arab nations to be fused into glass....
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