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Three mystery ships are tracked over suspected 'weapons' cargo
independent.co.uk ^ | 2/19/03

Posted on 02/18/2003 4:47:00 PM PST by knak

Three giant cargo ships are being tracked by US and British intelligence on suspicion that they might be carrying Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

Each with a deadweight of 35,000 to 40,000 tonnes, the ships have been sailing around the world's oceans for the past three months while maintaining radio silence in clear violation of international maritime law, say authoritative shipping industry sources.

The vessels left port in late November, just a few days after UN weapons inspectors led by Hans Blix began their search for the alleged Iraqi arsenal on their return to the country.

Uncovering such a deadly cargo on board would give George Bush and Tony Blair the much sought-after "smoking gun" needed to justify an attack on Saddam Hussein's regime, in the face of massive public opposition to war.

The ships were chartered by a shipping agent based in Egypt and are flying under the flags of three different countries. The continued radio silence since they left port, in addition to the captains' failure to provide information on their cargoes or their destinations, is a clear breach of international maritime laws.

The vessels are thought to have spent much of their time in the deep waters of the Indian Ocean, berthing at sea when they need to collect supplies of fuel and food. They have berthed in a handful of Arab countries, including Yemen.

American and British military forces are believed to be reluctant to stop and search the vessels for fear that any intervention might result in them being scuttled. If they were carrying chemical and biological weapons, or fissile nuclear material, and they were to be sunk at sea, the environmental damage could be catastrophic.

Washington and London might also want to orchestrate any raids so that they can present the ships as "evidence" that President Saddam is engaged in "material breach" of UN resolutions. This could provide the trigger for military strikes. While security sources in London last night were unable to provide information on any surveillance operation, the movement of the three ships is the source of growing concern among maritime and intelligence experts.

A shipping industry source told The Independent: "If Iraq does have weapons of mass destruction, then a very large part of its capability could be afloat on the high seas right now. These ships have maintained radio silence for long periods and, for a considerable time, they have been steaming around in ever-decreasing circles."

The ships are thought to have set sail from a country other than Iraq to avoid running the gauntlet of Western naval vessels patrolling the Gulf. Defence experts believe that, if they are carrying weapons of mass destruction, these could have been smuggled out through Syria or Jordan.

Despite hundreds of searches by UN inspectors, no evidence has yet been found of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programmes. A succession of "dossiers" presented by Downing Street has been criticised for providing inaccurate information, with the most recent one subject to ridicule because a student's 11-year-old doctoral thesis was being passed off as current intelligence. There was a further setback for Washington and London when the accuracy of satellite photographs shown to the United Nations by Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, purporting to show Iraqi officials moving incriminating evidence from a suspected site, was questioned by Hans Blix.

Mr Blix said: "The reported movement of munitions at the site could just as easily have been a routine activity as a movement of proscribed munitions in anticipation of an imminent inspection."

Attempts to link the Iraqi regime to al-Qa'ida and other Islamist groups have also been met with scepticism. The UN says, though, that Iraq has failed to account for 1,000 tonnes of chemical agents from the war against Iran; to reveal the whereabouts of 6,500 missing chemical rockets; to produce evidence it has destroyed 8,500 litres of anthrax; and to account for 380 rocket engines smuggled into Iraq with chemicals used for missile propellants and control systems.

Intelligence reports, and some Iraqi defectors, have maintained that incriminating material and documents relating to weapons of mass destruction have been buried in remote parts of the country and have also been hidden in a variety of locations including homes of officials and scientists, as well as mosques. There have also been claims that chemical and biological products have been smuggled into Syria.


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To: knak
Bump for reading later today.
201 posted on 02/19/2003 7:57:47 AM PST by Kay Soze (F France and Germany- They are our enemies.)
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To: cinFLA
More likely Nigeria, Ethiopia, etc.

Flagging of convenience is sometimes known as a *PanLibHonCo* registry in the shipping trade, from the names of four of the more common nations in which such vessels are flagged.

-archy-/-

202 posted on 02/19/2003 8:15:09 AM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Godfollow
If true, why in hell is this in the news?

Simple enough. If any or all of these three ships simply disappear, particularly if coincidental with the beginning of widescale US military operations in Iraq, that will serve as a message to those aboard other vessels with similar missions that the same fate can also befall them.

If that causes them to abandon their planned missions, swell. If it just makes them jumpy enough that they deviate from their preplanned routines and thereby identify themselves as having a possibly hostile intent, that will suffice.

Accordingly, the fate of those first three ships deserves to be publicised. We may hear far less about other later *shipping accidents.*

-archy-/-

203 posted on 02/19/2003 8:23:01 AM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: null and void
It wasn't funny ...
204 posted on 02/19/2003 10:25:08 AM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: Cindy
I wonder about Bin Laden's last message about himself waiting to go out in blazing glory this year "in the belly of the eagle".
Might just be what all these mystery ships are all about?
205 posted on 02/19/2003 10:25:57 AM PST by Minutemen
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To: harpseal
Further, just where are they going to get the merchant seamen to willingly lay down their lives for Ol' Saddam?

Same place thay got airline pilots...

206 posted on 02/19/2003 11:10:52 AM PST by null and void (Save BILLIONS of lives. Stop Saddam NOW!)
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To: CyberAnt
Apparently not.
207 posted on 02/19/2003 11:12:36 AM PST by null and void (Save BILLIONS of lives. Stop Saddam NOW!)
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To: piasa
I don't believe Usama is alive either and believe the tapes ARE HIS VOICE, but a composite of many tapes he made.

Someone mentioned the Shuttle Accident and they are correct when they say he would have mentioned it, particularly since Iraq had mentioned it.

Guess Usama didn't anticipate that on his pre-recorded tapes. No doubt, he would have gloated over the death of Ramon.

208 posted on 02/19/2003 11:29:54 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Solamente
Them two billion watt cruise missles will definitely take care of the radio silence matter. They won't be communicating with anybody. Everything will be fried.
209 posted on 02/19/2003 11:33:41 AM PST by el_texicano
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To: harpseal
This might pass muster on Fleet Street, but we would tend to know a few things, such as, ships don't spend 3 months at sea steaming around. One month, maybe, then they need fuel. And you don't just drift around DITW to save fuel. Nope, doesn't add up.

If they want to hide a mobile cargo, it will be on large trucks in Iraq, possibly in Syria if they have a deal. The USN owns the oceans, and even Saddam and OBL know it.

210 posted on 02/19/2003 3:34:47 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
US Navy could keep ships on station months at a time but they have a whole infrastructure of oilers and supply ships that can do undersea replenishment. On top of that any cargo ships getting undersea replenishment would be very suspicous and would get a call from the USN and the USN outright owns all the oceans on this planet.
211 posted on 02/19/2003 4:23:13 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Minutemen
re post no. 205: " I wonder about Bin Laden's last message about himself waiting to go out in blazing glory this year "in the belly of the eagle". Might just be what all these mystery ships are all about?"

I don't know if UBL's body is in the ships or not; but I sure do wonder what biological/nuclear/chemical weapons are on those ships -- if any at all. -Cindy


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IAEA.org - INTERNATIONAL ATOMIC ENERGY AGENCY: Press Releases

STATE DEPARTMENT: "CURRENT TRAVEL WARNINGS & PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS"

STATE DEPARTMENT: "SERVICES AND INFORMATION FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS ABROAD"

CDC: "TRAVELERS' HEALTH"

ICC COMMERCIAL CRIME SERVICES: "WEEKLY PIRACY REPORT"

NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION LIBRARY: "TRANSPORT SECURITY INFORMATION"

NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD

212 posted on 02/19/2003 7:03:19 PM PST by Cindy
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To: All
"Dream Dictionary": Eagle is a bird of light message made clear. Belly could be bad infection perhaps.

The Apples of the Hesperides. It's interesting, mentioning several countries and a bird (eagle?) "pecking at a liver" for 30 years.

We know for certain that Usama uses riddles for messages. I'm also thinking of the snipers little message.

213 posted on 02/19/2003 7:12:51 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: archy
I'll buy that...
214 posted on 02/19/2003 7:20:23 PM PST by Godfollow
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To: knak; piasa; backhoe; JohnathanRGalt; yonif
INDEPENDENT.co.uk: "ALARM OVER CARGO SHIP TRACKED BY INTELLIGENCE" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "n response to a report in The Independent yesterday, the Government will also be questioned over Britain's defence against illegal maritime trafficking in arms, people and drugs. Shipping industry sources said the three vessels set sail three months ago, spending much of their time in the Indian Ocean.

John Eldridge, the editor of Jane's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Defence, said he was not surprised President Saddam might have decided to hide his illicit weapons at sea. He said: "It seems an extremely elegant scheme with a view to hiding these things until the heat is off."

Mr Eldridge said the Iraqi regime could easily have smuggled out the weapons in sealed containers through neighbouring countries. He said: "There's no way you could detect what they were without boarding the ship.

"Saddam never ceases to surprise the West with some of his off-the-wall actions."

Stuart Syrad, a maritime security consultant and former senior officer with the Special Boat Service, agreed the report was credible.") (February 20, 2003)
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=379893
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SAAG.org - South Asia Analysis Group Paper No.608: "INDIA, IRAQ & US" by B. Raman (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "12. The US allegations of the Saddam Hussein Government's links with bin Laden and Al Qaeda remain unproved, but is it not a fact that Iraq has had contacts with the organisation of Carlos, the jackal, the Abu Nidal Organisation, the anti-Teheran Mujahideen-e-Khalq and the anti-Shia and anti-Teheran Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan and its militant wing the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LEJ)? The LEJ is a member of bin Laden's IIF and strongly supports his arguments on the right and duty of the Muslims to acquire WMD. Should India not be concerned over the dangers of the leakage of WMD from Iraq to anti-India terrorist elements through elements of the LEJ? Such a possibility may be  remote, but India's national security managers cannot ignore it.") (February 8, 2003)
http://www.saag.org/papers7/paper608.html
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215 posted on 02/19/2003 8:41:34 PM PST by Cindy
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To: friendly
Sounds like a James Bond 007 movie plot. Maybe Tony Blair can Play Bond and Dubya can be his American buddy, Felix Leitner.

Who gets to be Pussy Galore, Hitlary? Or is that Miss Moneypenny? I always get these names mixed up.

216 posted on 02/20/2003 11:34:56 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: knak; *war_list; 11th_VA; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; MadIvan; PhiKapMom; cavtrooper21; ..
Forming up a ping list here for War_List.

Anyone want on or off send me a Freep mail.
I can see the volume getting high.
I want on anyones bump list for articles going on the War_List

OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST

217 posted on 02/20/2003 10:05:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Nuke Saddam ( Bush is thinking about it ) and then what about Germany and France?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bump. Whats going on with these ships?? Havent heard anything since the original story.
218 posted on 03/06/2003 8:24:52 AM PST by Tatze (Give Pizza Chants!)
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To: knak
bump
219 posted on 06/25/2003 9:54:21 PM PDT by Minutemen
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To: Minutemen

Inquisitive minds bump.


220 posted on 11/12/2005 8:58:48 PM PST by logician2u
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