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Sport shooters face clampdown: Warrantless searches in Australia
The Australian Age ^ | February 16, 2003 | Kirsty Simpson

Posted on 02/18/2003 5:36:16 AM PST by Mulder

Police will be able to enter houses without a warrant and seize handguns belonging to sporting shooters if the owner failed to attend sufficient competitions under proposed tough new firearms laws.

And people found with banned pistols could be liable for prison sentences of up to 10 years, according to those who have seen the legislation, which was prompted by the Monash University shootings last year.

But the new laws, expected to be introduced into the Victorian Parliament by early March, have sparked outrage from some shooters, who claim it threatens to decimate their sport.

The laws are designed to ensure only legitimate sporting shooters can keep their guns stored at home.

Recent federal customs changes, which limit the import or export of handguns, have already resulted in shooters being unable to compete in some international competitions or attract competitors to Australian tournaments, according to David Barton of the Victorian branch of the Sporting Shooters Association.

Up to half of the state's pistol shooters will leave the sport as a result of the state and federal laws, Mr Barton said. "Whether these are the intended or unintended consequences is a moot point, but all of this will add nothing to public safety," he said.

Premier Steve Bracks confirmed during the week that handgun laws would be among the first laws to be introduced by the second-term Labor Government. All states agreed to a crackdown on handguns after the deaths of two students and the wounding of five more at Monash University in October last year.

But a spokesman for Police and Corrections Minister Andre Haermeyer said the Government could not comment further on the proposals because they had not yet been approved by cabinet.

The Federal and state governments agreed to the broad outlines of a ban of semi-automatic handguns and some other varieties of hand-guns two months ago. Government officials are cautiously optimistic that the finer details will be agreed at the next Council of Australian Governments meeting, in time for the buyback to begin on July 1, as scheduled.

Once the states pass the laws, more than 500 different models of handguns will become illegal and a $100 million nationwide buyback program will begin. The ban is expected to remove from circulation about 20 per cent of Australia's 166,000 licensed handguns.

Brett Inder, an associate professor at Monash and one of the men who disarmed the alleged shooter, welcomed the new laws.

Mr Inder said he was happy to see sporting shooters have access to pistols but added that handguns should not be stored at home in the wider community. "The sooner and stronger, the better," Mr Inder said of the new laws.

Police Association secretary Paul Mullett said he welcomed the new laws, particularly in the present uncertain environment, but said it would be an extra burden on resources.

"We are hoping that the Government will deliver on its promise of an extra 600 new police officers," he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: aussielist; banglist; guncontrol; tyranny
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1 posted on 02/18/2003 5:36:16 AM PST by Mulder
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To: *bang_list
bang
2 posted on 02/18/2003 5:36:42 AM PST by Mulder
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To: Mulder
Great! They're only a couple years away from being invaded by China and by then they'll be completely helpless.
3 posted on 02/18/2003 5:43:17 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Mulder
You can sit on your butts while they disarm you a little at a time or you can do something about it.
4 posted on 02/18/2003 5:47:57 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
I kind of wonder how an Aussie would sound speaking Cantonese.
5 posted on 02/18/2003 5:48:36 AM PST by Dr Warmoose (Just don't leave any brass with your fingerprints on it behind, OK?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
You can sit on your butts while they disarm you a little at a time or you can do something about it.

If you're going to get 10 years for mere possession of a handgun in Australian, you might as well go for broke and do stuff that could bring an equivelent or greater sentence.

It would only take a few dozen patriotic Australians to shake things up over there.

6 posted on 02/18/2003 5:52:17 AM PST by Mulder
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To: Mulder
Also, anyone who harms a home invader in any way will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
7 posted on 02/18/2003 5:57:47 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Mulder
From where did all the sheep come? I have known Aussies that were men. They must have imported to many Liberals back in the 60's and 70's.
8 posted on 02/18/2003 6:01:23 AM PST by Ches
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To: Ches
Not a happy story. They must not have an NRA.
9 posted on 02/18/2003 6:06:15 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (RW&B)
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To: *Aussie_list
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
10 posted on 02/18/2003 6:09:08 AM PST by Free the USA (Stooge for the Rich)
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To: Mulder
You guys are all such pessimists. Remember WJC spending taxpayer money to buy them in DC? There is no crime there now. Safest place on earth. Buybacks work!
11 posted on 02/18/2003 6:14:08 AM PST by way-right-of-center (it's easy to hide when no one is looking)
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To: Ches
From where did all the sheep come? I have known Aussies that were men

yep, this surprises me as well. But - things are little different here.

12 posted on 02/18/2003 6:32:02 AM PST by banjo joe
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To: Mulder
Coming soon to Calif, Md, Mass, and other states near you.
13 posted on 02/18/2003 6:46:34 AM PST by bsaunders
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To: Mulder
I see that the Australian "law nuts" are at it again. ;-)
14 posted on 02/18/2003 6:48:37 AM PST by an amused spectator
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To: Mulder
Thank God our founding fathers created a Bill of Rights in our Constitution, including the 2nd amendment right to be armed, or we would be in the same place.
15 posted on 02/18/2003 6:58:38 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Mulder
How nice of the Aussie govt. To send their young ones off to battle for "The Empire" Queen
and Country....

And when they come home all shot up and disabled..And try to fend off armed thugs from their homes and loved one's ...

The govt. steps in to throw them in jail for keeping a handgun..the tool designed to protect ones home and family..

Wonder if they will pursue warrantless searches with as much vigor in known criminals homes looking for evidence of rape armed robbery or murder...

Naw much easier for the dictator of Austrailia to make what was once legal normal and good illegal evil and perverse and arrest those caught in the switch who werent sheepish enough to cave in...

When one's rights are derived from Kings or the state rather than God such things happen..
16 posted on 02/18/2003 7:07:05 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Mulder
Coming soon to Australia...

Crime hits 1 in 3 Britons

ONE in three British adults has been hit by crime in the past 12 months, a shock survey revealed yesterday.

But half of victims did not bother telling police - because they thought it would be a waste of time.

Of those who did report crimes, a fifth claimed cops failed even to respond. And the number of criminals who were caught and punished was a paltry 13 per cent.

The study of 17,000 adults nationwide shows crime is rising by nearly ten per cent more than government figures admit and means 17 million people suffered a crime last year.

The most common offences were vandalism, thefts from cars, house burglaries and fraud.

Crime expert Mike Hough, of South Bank University, said: "I used to say fear of crime was a problem in its own right. Now I realise people are right to worry."

Alastair McKee, 25, was among the one in five people who were targeted at least TWICE.

He said of burglars who took more than £1,000 of goods from his Bath home: "I hope they are sent to prison and they throw away the key."

Link

17 posted on 02/18/2003 7:10:05 AM PST by freeeee
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To: Mulder
On the bright side, the heavy-handed treatment of gun owners in the UK and Australia seems to have woken up American gun owners that gun control advocates are not just harmless nuts. You'll notice that the Democrats are no longer able to run on a gun control platform except in liberal bastions. And I really wish that the Republican party would take, say, Frank Lautenberg's pro gun-control ads and run them in more conservative states to show what liberal Democrats really think.
18 posted on 02/18/2003 8:39:53 AM PST by Question_Assumptions (``)
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To: Flurry
Not a happy story. They must not have an NRA.

or, maybe they DO; and therein lies the problem...

19 posted on 02/18/2003 11:44:34 AM PST by packrat01
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To: joesnuffy
I own a lot of firearms including handguns, but for home defense nothing beats a shotgun with 3 inches of white tape around the end of the barrel. It is easy to aim in the dark and you don't have to worry about hitting the folks next door. But this story sux. Hope they can turn it around.
20 posted on 02/18/2003 12:03:58 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (RW&B)
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