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Are Bush and Rumsfeld closet populists? Pat Buchanan details looming implications of French vote
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, February 12, 2003 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 02/12/2003 2:34:59 AM PST by JohnHuang2

"How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?"

"Nobody knows – because it's never been done yet."

That joke was making the rounds at a political conference in Washington this weekend. It is a cruel and unjust jest. As Margaret Macmillan writes, in Paris 1919, 1.3 million Frenchmen – one out of every four between 18 and 30 – died in the Great War (1914-1918), and twice as many were wounded fighting successfully to defend Paris.

But the French are not loved here, and neither are the Germans. And Defense Secretary Rumsfeld is making himself a populist icon with his cracks about "Old Europe" and the only ones opposing a U.S. war on Iraq being the Cubans, the Libyans and the Germans.

"Old Rumsfeld," Le Monde mocks him, but he and President Bush are also scoring with their scaldings of the United Nations. How can one not laugh on hearing that Libya was just elected, by a 33-to-3 vote, to chair the U.N. Human Rights Commission, and Iraq is in line to head up the U.N. disarmament committee?

Truly, the inmates are running the asylum – and it is imperative that the patriotic and populist Right not associate itself with anti-Americans who would use the U.N. to tie America's hands.

President Bush may be about to launch the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong place with the wrong enemy, but he is right that the decision is ours alone to make. No one else decides for us – not the U.N., and not NATO, but the American people through the Congress as the Constitution commands. Yet, ironically, as Bush and Rumsfeld march us into this war for empire, they may just end up advancing the anti-imperialist agenda of the Old Right. Consider:

If France casts a veto in the Security Council to a resolution authorizing war on Iraq, the U.N. will be seen, in the well-chosen word of the president, as "irrelevant." Bush said it again Saturday: "It's a moment of truth for the United Nations. The United Nations gets to decide shortly whether or not it is going to be relevant in terms of keeping the peace, whether or not its words mean anything."

And if the U.N. echoes with condemnations of the United States, as U.S. soldiers are dying in Iraq, that body could suffer the same fate as the League of Nations when it failed to sanction Japan for invading Manchuria and Italy for invading Ethiopia in the 1930s. Indeed, if war comes, the time may be ripe to demand that the United Nations, at long last, remove itself from the United States.

A war on Iraq may also call into question the value of NATO. This "most successful alliance in history" long ago achieved its purpose: to keep the Red Army from seizing Western Europe. With that army gone from Europe and the USSR splintered into 15 nations, the day of the dissolution of NATO may be at hand. And as Berlin and Paris block NATO aid for Turkey's defense in the coming war, Old Europe may be advancing the day of the final departure of U.S. troops from Europe. Even the Wall Street Journal is coming around to the question of whether NATO now serves U.S. interests.

Neoconservatives see an invasion of Iraq as central to their plans for U.S. hegemony in the Middle East, but the Bush Doctrine could produce the opposite effect. The New York Times quotes Saudi princes as saying Crown Prince Abdullah "will ask President Bush to withdraw all American armed forces from the kingdom as soon as the campaign to disarm Iraq has concluded."

A violent reaction to war on Iraq across the Arab and Islamic world could lead to the same demands from other regimes.

Saturday in Williamsburg, Va., U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan suggested the United States is on a collision course with the U.N. President Bush may claim a right to launch pre-emptive attacks on rogue nations seeking weapons of mass destruction, says Annan, but this "is not an issue for any one state, but for the international community as a whole.

"[W]hen states decide to use force, not in self-defense but to deal with broader threats to international peace and security, there is no substitute for the unique legitimacy provided by the United Nations Security Council." Absent our U.N. blessing, Kofi Annan is telling Bush, your doctrine will make America a rogue nation.

With Kim Jong Il's drive to build atom bombs causing second thoughts about the presence of 37,000 U.S. troops in Korea, 2003 might see not just the apex of American empire but a retrenchment of U.S. power from Asia and the Near East, and castration of the U.N.

The fruits of neo-imperialism may just be neo-isolationism.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: vivelafrance
Wednesday, February 12, 2003

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1 posted on 02/12/2003 2:34:59 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Closet populists?

Talk about the (crack) pot calling the kettle black.

2 posted on 02/12/2003 2:40:02 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: JohnHuang2
Where to begin? First off, there is a seed of truth in that joke about defending Paris. Note the Battle for Paris in WW2 is hard to find. That's because there wasn't any. The French concluded that the artwork and buildings of Paris were more important than keeping a tyrant like Hitler from conqering it. Yes, they did, in fact, capitulate in WW2. Perhaps they had some fight in them in WW1. But the second time around, they built that ridiculous wall.

So much money was put in the darn wall that they refused to fight an offensive war to prevent the Nazies from growing more powerful.

All Hitler had to do was send his tanks around their high priced wall. The French actually thought that the hilly countryside of Holland would prevent an invasion through it, even though Holland was the same route used in WW1. Darwin Awards, indeed.

3 posted on 02/12/2003 2:45:44 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (LIBERTY or DEATH!)
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To: CWOJackson
Next point, the accusation of populism. Methinks Buchanan is jealous. In fact, he's so jealous that his mind is clouded. A populist does not bother to call for social security reform. A populist does not call for ending the dividend tax. A populist does not challenge the ABA in judicial appointments. Bush is being true to his base. That is not being a populist.
4 posted on 02/12/2003 2:51:08 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (LIBERTY or DEATH!)
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To: CWOJackson
Like my mother said, I like Buchanan but I'm glad he's not president.
5 posted on 02/12/2003 2:52:34 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (LIBERTY or DEATH!)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Like a lot of people I used to like Buchanan. Now he whines over the injustice to the French.
6 posted on 02/12/2003 2:58:45 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: JohnHuang2
he is right that the decision is ours alone to make

Absent our U.N. blessing, Kofi Annan is telling Bush, your doctrine will make America a rogue nation

Pat needs to make up his mind. He needs to decide if we make decisions as a sovereign nation that forward our national interests or if we should cower in fear that unelected officials in an illegitimate body consider us to be rogues.

7 posted on 02/12/2003 3:06:28 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: JohnHuang2
Crown Prince Abdullah "will ask President Bush to withdraw all American armed forces from the kingdom as soon as the campaign to disarm Iraq has concluded."

These Arab potentates are scared and have their 747's warmed up.


BUMP

8 posted on 02/12/2003 3:13:53 AM PST by tm22721 (Those without a sword can still die upon it.)
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To: JohnHuang2
Ok, so now we have Pat Buchanan, who already is on the side of Palestinian terrorists over Israeli democrats, supporting cheese-eating surrender monkeys and their see-no-evil Saddam-loving German sidekicks.

Can you say "irrelevant"? Perhaps he should begin dating Helen Thomas.

9 posted on 02/12/2003 3:15:17 AM PST by montag813
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To: tm22721
Who cares about the Saudi bases?

Were going to build new bases in Iraq since we're going to be there awhile.
10 posted on 02/12/2003 3:33:35 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: JohnHuang2
The UN is funded by 25% US funds; military operations are totally executed by US logistical support. The UN is totally dependent upon the US for military and political support. Consider that since 1945, the only places that International Law have had any legal mantle to stand on is where the US has a vested interest in ensuring International Law is enforced; beyone that, the rules of war have marched across Africa (Old Europe's former colonies let go in the 60s; if at all if you notice that Belgium maintains its colonies still to this day:)). Therefore, one can only wonder what our partners in peace have been doing all these years, with their high morale standards and fine words of peace; all the while they piggy back off the US. If they truly want to be partners in peace, let them fund equally the defense burden of NATO (US 65%, Britan 25%, 17-other European Members 10%) and then their veto will mean something.
11 posted on 02/12/2003 4:05:51 AM PST by Jumper
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To: montag813
What a visual THAT is!
12 posted on 02/12/2003 6:20:07 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
That's the first time I heard anyone call flat old Holland hilly! I think you are probably referring to Belgium. But your overall point is a good one.
13 posted on 02/12/2003 7:29:50 AM PST by expatpat
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To: JohnHuang2
It's easy to trash Buchanan here...and I've trashed him before. However, he's got a point here. The best possible outcome would be:

A French veto on the security council and Franco-German-Belgian intransigence in NATO over protecting Turkey, followed by a decisive victory in Iraq. The inevitable discovery of both a) weapons of mass destruction, and b) massive human rights violations would allow people like Buchanan and even those on the neocon right to speak the obvious publicly:

The U.N. is a total waste. It's nothing more than a battering ram for cultural Bolsheviks (abortion, homosexuality etc), a platform for buffoonish dictators, and the source of support for many upper-crust New York restaurants. And we're paying for it. Rwanda is the perfect case in point: 800,000 human beings hacked to death with machetes in 3 months while the U.N. did nothing. If the U.N. can't stop a bunch of bushmen with machetes, it's time to stop the U.N.

14 posted on 02/12/2003 8:23:00 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: expatpat
I think of Belgium and the Netherlands as a part of old Holland. But regardles....
15 posted on 02/15/2003 7:28:00 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (LIBERTY or DEATH!)
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To: CWOJackson
I used to favor Buchanan over Bush too. Not anymore.
16 posted on 02/15/2003 7:28:41 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (LIBERTY or DEATH!)
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