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Schröder's coalition near collapse over leak
The Times ^ | February 11, 2003 | Roger Boyes

Posted on 02/10/2003 3:14:11 PM PST by MadIvan

GERMANY’S coalition Government was on the brink of collapse yesterday as details emerged of a row between Gerhard Schröder, the Chancellor, and Joschka Fischer, the Foreign Minister, who threatened to quit over differences on Iraq. Herr Fischer, the leader of the Green Party, was enraged over weekend press leaks of a Franco-German plan to establish a UN protectorate in Iraq. The leak, to Der Spiegel magazine, appeared to come from the Chancellery or Social Democrat headquarters.

The Foreign Minister immediately telephoned Herr Schröder to demand an explanation. “It was a loud and emotional exchange of views,” a German diplomat said. “Relations between the Chancellor and his Foreign Minister have plunged into an ice age,” Bild newspaper said. Last night Berlin denied that there was a rift between the men.

Herr Fischer was involved in attempts to boost the presence of UN inspectors in Iraq. He appears to have passed on some information to the Pope during a meeting on Friday. But the detail in the plan published yesterday, including a proposal for UN troops to man roadblocks in Iraq with French Mirage jets flying overhead, did not form part of Foreign Ministry calculations.

German diplomats are well aware that an American plan for a robust UN inspection system was floated last year and dropped, having drawn little international enthusiasm. A European reworking of that plan, drawn up without the consultation of the United States, would be seen only as an affront by Washington.

Herr Fischer has seen his diplomatic options diminish in the past six months as Herr Schröder became more vocal in his opposition to war. Germany’s isolation was evident at the weekend’s defence conference in Munich, attended by Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, where Herr Fischer bore the brunt of American fury at Germany’s stand on Iraq.

Herr Fischer has now been snubbed at least three times by the Chancellor. He was not warned in advance when Herr Schröder started to mobilise voter support during the general election campaign by warning against a US-led war. He was also wrong-footed when the Chancellor announced that Germany would never accept a UN resolution “legitimising a war” against Iraq. Herr Schröder has also mocked and publicly called to order one of Herr Fischer’s key diplomats, the German envoy to the UN.

Herr Fischer’s authority depends on public support from the Chancellor, on close European co-operation beyond the Franco-German axis, on the trust of Washington and on discipline within his Green Party. All these pillars have crumbled since the general election six months ago.

When rumours of resignation spread three weeks ago, the Chancellor called in Herr Fischer for a “clarifying talk”. But for two hours the men, formerly friends who forged the idea of a Social Democratic-Green alliance in a pub conversation some 20 years ago, conducted a shouting match.

Later the Chancellor declared, to the irritation of Herr Fischer: “Let’s face it, the grass roots of the Green Party are closer to me than to the Foreign Minister.”


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: fischer; germany; greens; iraq; plans; saddam; schroeder; spd
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The collapse of the German government is imminent. Thank God.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 02/10/2003 3:14:12 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Blue Scourge; PhiKapMom; carl in alaska; Cautor; GOP_Lady; prairiebreeze; veronica; SunnyUsa; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 02/10/2003 3:14:24 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
The idiots running Germany today are worse than the schemers and self-important toadies who ran the Weimar Republic.
3 posted on 02/10/2003 3:17:46 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamiam Esse Delendam)
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To: MadIvan
The Greens were obviously trying to secretly send a bunch of U.N. "human shields" under the misnomer of "inspectors" to derail action against Saddam. They really get enraged when their underhanded behavior gets exposed. Too bad.
4 posted on 02/10/2003 3:17:48 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: MadIvan
BTTT!
5 posted on 02/10/2003 3:18:02 PM PST by Wphile (I'm so sick of the UN)
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To: MadIvan
I certainly hope so. Schroeder and the Greens scare me!
6 posted on 02/10/2003 3:18:32 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: MadIvan
Do you really think so? From your lips to God's ears...
7 posted on 02/10/2003 3:19:02 PM PST by Keith
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To: MadIvan
gerhard! door. ass.

8 posted on 02/10/2003 3:20:28 PM PST by glock rocks
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To: CatoRenasci
The idiots running Germany today are worse than the schemers and self-important toadies who ran the Weimar Republic.

Germany needs more leaders like Franz Von Papen!

9 posted on 02/10/2003 3:21:21 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: MadIvan
There's hope for the Krauts yet...

..still no hope for "le poosie meowsers"

10 posted on 02/10/2003 3:21:35 PM PST by evad
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To: MadIvan
The collapse of the German government is imminent. Thank God.

If the German government collapses, then the only country we can complain about is the French.

11 posted on 02/10/2003 3:21:37 PM PST by cpprfld
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To: MadIvan
We can only hope that it's on the verge of collapse. I find it extremely interesting, though, that the Green foreign minister is more mature and responsible than Schroeder.

I still wonder whether they would let the government collapse, since both would be out of a job, given voter sentiment.

12 posted on 02/10/2003 3:22:34 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: MadIvan
Newspaper Headlines in the year 2035

Last remaining Fundamentalist Muslim dies in the American Territory of the Middle East (formerly known as Iraq)

13 posted on 02/10/2003 3:24:40 PM PST by evad
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To: MadIvan
If the Greens cross the aisle to form a coalition, Shroeder's toast. Fischer didn't strike me as a guy capable of that, but then I haven't been sitting at his desk the last month or so, either. This could get interesting.
14 posted on 02/10/2003 3:25:22 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: MadIvan
The collapse of the German government is imminent. Thank God.

Hope you're right, Ivan!!!

15 posted on 02/10/2003 3:25:31 PM PST by Wait4Truth (God Bless our President!)
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To: MadIvan
Did Patrick Leahy move to Germany?
16 posted on 02/10/2003 3:25:33 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MadIvan
Herr Fischer was involved in attempts to boost the presence of UN inspectors in Iraq. He appears to have passed on some information to the Pope during a meeting on Friday. But the detail in the plan published yesterday, including a proposal for UN troops to man roadblocks in Iraq with French Mirage jets flying overhead, did not form part of Foreign Ministry calculations. German diplomats are well aware that an American plan for a robust UN inspection system was floated last year and dropped, having drawn little international enthusiasm. A European reworking of that plan, drawn up without the consultation of the United States, would be seen only as an affront by Washington.

Bugger them, and their European high handedness. Bugger them all.

How many 10s of millions did aggressive German racism kill in the last century? How much damage to stiff international resolve was wrought by French equivocation (they call it "diplomacy") over the past century?

More importantly, how much money did French and German commercial concerns earn off of building nuclear, biological and chemical research facilities in Iraq over the past 25 years?

17 posted on 02/10/2003 3:25:48 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: MadIvan
The collapse of the German government is imminent. Thank God.

So what happens to Germany, Ivan?
Are they going to split up into East and West Germany again?
Or are they going to get sliced, diced, split-up and shared by the neighboring Euroweenie countries?

18 posted on 02/10/2003 3:28:05 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Petronski
I was actually thinking of the smarmy Kurt von Schleicher....
19 posted on 02/10/2003 3:29:05 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamiam Esse Delendam)
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To: MadIvan
Thanks, this couldn't happen to a nicer guy except for some of his Islamofacist cash cows in Iraq, Iran, Lybia, and ?.

The only problem will his successor be even more of an anti American Socialist or some Watermelon?


20 posted on 02/10/2003 3:29:55 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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