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Brazil - We Need the Bomb
Brazzil ^ | May 2002 | Ricardo C. Amaral

Posted on 02/10/2003 3:04:28 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

On March 10, 2002, The New York Times had a front page article outlining the new American nuclear weapons strategy. The Times reported that the American government is in the process of "a broad overhaul of American nuclear policy; a secret Pentagon report calls for developing new nuclear weapons that would be better suited for striking targets in Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Syria and Libya."

The New York Times obtained a full copy of the report. It calls for the development of new earth-penetrating nuclear weapons to destroy heavily fortified underground bunkers, including those that are used to store chemical and biological weapons. It argues that the United States may need to resume nuclear testing.

One of the most sensitive portions of the report is a secret discussion of contingencies in which the United States might need to use its "nuclear strike capabilities" against a foe. ...The Bush administration seems to see a new role for nuclear weapons against the `Axis of Evil' and other problem states....

Among Iraq, Iran, Syria, or Libya none has nuclear weapons... "Significantly, all of them have signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Washington has promised that it will not use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapon states that have signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty unless those countries attack the United States or its allies "in alliance with a nuclear weapon state."

Remember, the United States is the only country in history to use nuclear weapons against another country. President Truman unleashed atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki— killing over 100,000 people with one shot. Personally, I never understood why it was necessary for the US to drop the second atomic bomb in Nagasaki, since they had shown to the Japanese the power of the atomic bomb that destroyed Hiroshima.

Declassified government documents in the U. S. show that John F. Kennedy considered a pre-emptive atomic weapon strike against the Russians in East Germany in 1961. Richard M. Nixon also suggested to his secretary of state, Henry Kissinger, the possibility of using atomic weapons in Vietnam. Today, the Bush administration is suggesting to the world that in the future the US will use nuclear weapons on pre-emptive nuclear strikes. The US government will treat, in the future, the use of nuclear weapons as just one more instrument or tool that it has available in its arsenal.

The entire world knows that the US means business when it comes to using arms of mass destruction. We all know that when the US government implies that it will use nuclear weapons, you can count on it. I would like to make just one more point on this subject: the US never used atomic weapons against a white/Caucasian state including the Russian Evil Empire and Nazi Germany, but the US used the atomic bomb against another race—Japan a yellow/oriental state.

If race again becomes a major factor in the consideration of where the US will drop an atomic bomb, then matters will become more complicated in the war against Islam—the range of race in Islam and the Muslim world is as wide as in the human race because it includes white, black and yellow people.

Last Resort No More

Since the attack on Nagasaki in 1945, there has been an international understanding that the ultimate weapons of terror (nuclear weapons) would remain weapons of last resort, as they were up to now. There was also an understanding that a nuclear weapons country would never use such a weapon against a non-nuclear weapons country.

Since the break up of the Soviet Union in 1989, the world became a much more dangerous place in terms of the proliferation of nuclear weapon states—the Soviet Union split into various nuclear weapon states. The other problem is that since the 1960's, many other states became nuclear weapon states such as France, China, South Africa, Israel, India and Pakistan.

These are some of the states that have been reported in the press as the new states that have been able to acquire nuclear weapons capabilities since 1960. How about the states which we don't know! The nuclear weapons genie is out of the bottle, and the current US change in policy and strategy reflects that fact. The US is adapting its policies and strategies to be able to handle the new nuclear weapons reality around the world.

Information released by the US State Department regarding this subject indicates that the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons Treaty (NPT) was concluded in 1968 and became effective in 1970. Fear of nuclear weapons proliferation in the 1960's motivated 187 countries to sign that treaty. Only India, Israel, Pakistan and Cuba remain outside that treaty.

The significance of the NPT lies in the fact the five nuclear-weapon States defined in the Treaty—that is, the USA, the Russian Federation, Great Britain, France and China—are not permitted to transfer their nuclear weapons and that all other States Parties (the so-called non-nuclear-weapon States) are allowed neither to receive the transfer of these—thus gaining control of nuclear weapons—nor to develop nuclear weapons themselves. I am not going to bore you, the reader, with further details of this Treaty since the Treaty has become obsolete!

The idea of a country's sovereignty was developed in Europe over the last 400 years. It is a concept closely associated with the rise of the nation-state system from the ashes of the feudalism system of the Middle Ages. Jean Jacques Rousseau in his major work The Social Contract gave us the idea that sovereignty resides in the people (one of the earliest expressions of democratic thought and ideas) rather than with the monarchy.

Sovereignty implies the concept of power, both internal and external: internal sovereignty is the ability of the nation-state to demand obedience to the laws of the nation-state within its borders; external sovereignty governs the relations between nation-states, and implies the premise that these states are theoretically equal under international law.

Modern international law recognizes the concept of nonintervention. The concept of nonintervention has been codified over the years in many treaties and international agreements. Nonintervention means that sovereign states have the right to be free from interference by others in their domestic affairs. This concept is part of the United Nations Charter.

For a political community to be sovereign, it must meet some specific criteria; it must have the following qualities: 1) territory, 2) population, 3) effective rule over that territory and population, and 4) recognition of the other nation-states.

Sovereignty

Brazil needs nuclear weapons to protect its claim of absolute sovereignty over its territory and population. Today, the more a state has the capability to use violence at will, the greater is its contempt for sovereignty, that is, for the sovereignty of other states. We can see all over the world this contempt for sovereignty and international law.

There is one fact which is obvious for any one who is not brain dead—you can't count on your allies to come to your rescue when your country is under attack—unless there is some ulterior motive for the assistance, such as your country is a major oil producing country.

A recent example brings this point to our attention and also can serve as a guide to the future, as to why any country shouldn't rely on old allies to come forward and put everything on the line to help them when they are under attack by a foreign power. When the US attacked Serbia and destroyed that country's entire infrastructure, Russia, a long time ally of Serbia, did not came to its rescue. Instead the Russians barked a few times on behalf of Serbia, then they rolled over and played dead. These events also highlighted to the world how far Russia has declined and how they lost all their clout and weight in international affairs.

If you don't understand that many parts of what is considered international law and treaties have been trashed lately, then you have been living in La-La land. For example, in May 2002, the United States decided to renounce formally any involvement in a treaty creating an international criminal court and has officially "unsigned" the document signed by the Clinton administration. As reported in The New York Times on May 5, 2002, "in doing so the US simultaneously "unsigned" the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, a 1969 pact that outlines the obligations of nations to obey other international treaties. Article 18 of the Vienna Convention requires signatory nations like the United States to refrain from taking steps to undermine treaties they signed, even if they do not ratify them."

US Bad Example

I was surprised to find out how simple the process is to repudiate a treaty which a country has signed. How easy it was for the United States to withdraw from the International Criminal Court Treaty—the Bush administration officials just notified the United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan on May 6, 2002 that the United States was withdrawing from the International Criminal Court Treaty.

The United States, as one of the leading countries in the world, set the example to everyone how simple and easy it is to "unsign a treaty" which is no longer wanted by that country. The United States actions make it clear to the world that treaties are made to be broken and that treaties just have a certain useful purpose. After any treaty ends its useful life it becomes obsolete and has to be scrapped—as in the case of the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons Treaty.

In another example of worthless treaties, the United States and the Soviet Union signed treaties in the past decades in which they agreed to stop research and production of chemical and biological weapons. Neither country honored any of these treaties, and both countries continued in a clandestine way the development of new chemical and biological weapons.

By definition, any sovereign country must have the right to produce nuclear, chemical and biological weapons if that country so desires for their national defense. If countries are not allowed to produce these modern weapons to protect themselves, then we can't consider these countries as having actual sovereignty. These countries should receive a new class rating in a new international sovereignty rating system; they should be classified as a third rate class of countries with a semi-sovereignty status.

The world has changed drastically in a very short period of time. Today we live in a much more dangerous world, and many of the old international rules have changed since September 11, 2001.

Brazil and the Bomb

Without nuclear weapons Brazil will never be taken seriously by the major countries of the world. India or Pakistan will be considered ahead of Brazil to become a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council. They will not even bother considering Brazil, without a Brazilian nuclear weapons capability.

As a sovereign country, Brazil does not need authorization from any other country if it decides to develop chemical, biological and nuclear weapons for defense purposes. If there is any obstacle, such a treaty, it is easy to "unsign" such a document.

Which country should help Brazil develop such weapons? The answer is very simple. France should help Brazil. You might be asking yourself: what connection there is between France and Brazil, and why should France be interested in helping Brazil?

The French had a major impact on Brazilian culture since 1555 when Villegaignon established a French colony in Brazil close to where Rio de Janeiro is located. The greatest French influence on Brazilian culture came as a result of the French Revolution. José Bonifácio de Andrada e Silva, the architect of Brazilian independence from Portugal, was studying in Paris at the Royal School of Mines in the years 1790-1792. José Bonifácio had direct exposure during this period to the best intellectual minds of that time who were having a major impact on the events of the French Revolution.

In 1808, when Napoleon's army invaded Portugal, the Portuguese Royal Family moved to Brazil and they stayed in Brazil until 1821. This move by the Portuguese Royal Family had a very positive impact on Brazil. In 1823, the Andrada brothers (José Bonifácio, Martim Francisco and Antônio Carlos), with their leadership, had a major impact on the Constituent Assembly.

They guided the proceedings of the process of framing the first Brazilian Constitution. This Constitution was effective December 13, 1823. They used as a model the French Constitution of 1816, which is also referred to as the "Lamartine Constitution".

French culture had a major impact on Brazilian culture; to this day many Brazilian company executives know Paris much better than they know New York City, and they can speak French and not English. The Brazilian legal and judicial system is based on Roman law and the Napoleonic Code. The French should once more reaffirm their close ties to Brazil by helping Brazil on its new nuclear weapons development endeavor!


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To: Tailgunner Joe
Brazil needs nuclear weapons to protect its claim of absolute sovereignty over its territory and population.

Of course if they do this and then square off against the US at some future point we'll be using SSGNs in the South Atlantic as a first strike weapon.

Nuke are NOT what Brazil needs. Stable and effective government should be first on their list.

21 posted on 02/10/2003 6:27:04 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The problem is that Brazil is now lead by a communist prez with serious marxist ideas of hating America of personal grandeur and region-wide expansion. He goes by the name Lula and has been a force for the left since the 1970's. He has already made contacts with Fidel of Cuba and commie Sanchez of Venezuela. Time to dust off the Monroe Doctrine and make big economic waves for all three countries and fast!
22 posted on 02/10/2003 6:34:33 PM PST by Paulus Invictus (Coke make)
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To: dennisw
They cling to the idea that their main enemy is Argentina, a country in such deep economic doo-doo that they may not recover.
23 posted on 02/10/2003 6:36:14 PM PST by Paulus Invictus (Coke make)
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To: Riley
Yes, and it's La Bamba (spelling police!)
24 posted on 02/10/2003 6:37:22 PM PST by Paulus Invictus (Coke make)
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To: ffusco
Brazilians speak French? That will be news to them. Portuguese is the language of Brazil, seu barbeiro!
25 posted on 02/10/2003 6:39:08 PM PST by Paulus Invictus (Coke make)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If the French surrender monkeys give the Brazilians nuclear technology, we should bomb France back to the stone age.

Actually, we should bomb the ungrateful bastards anyway.

26 posted on 02/10/2003 6:41:54 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: greydog
And thousands of phosphorus fire bombs killed far more Japanese in Tokyo than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. When we got to Tokyo, it was flat with nothing but charred debris for miles in every direction. There were so few people walking around it looked like a village.
27 posted on 02/10/2003 6:43:45 PM PST by Paulus Invictus (Coke make)
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To: ffusco
Sorry, that is not true. Portuguese is the language of all Brazil and Portugal, although they do sound different in those places. Brazilian Portuguese is a wonderful and musical language. Beats Spanish by far!
28 posted on 02/10/2003 6:46:05 PM PST by Paulus Invictus (Coke make)
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To: merak
I was visiting my wife's home country of Thailand on 50th anniverary of the dropping of the bomb. I was shocked to see extremly postive editorials about our use of the bomb. They understood how may Thai lives it had saved by quicly ending the war before major ground conflict started there. Atleast some people get it.
29 posted on 02/10/2003 6:49:28 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: martin_fierro
Olha que coisa mas linda
Mais cheia de graca
E ela menina que vem
e que passa
Num doce balanco
a caminho do mar.

Moca do corpo dourado
do sol de Ipanema
O seu balancado e
mais que um poema
E a coisa mais linda
Que eu ja vi passar

Ah! Por que estou
tao sozinho?
Ah! Por que tudo
e tao triste?
Ah! A beleza que existe
A beleza que nao
e so minha
Que tambem passa sozinha

Ah! se ela soubesse
Que quando ela passa
O mundo sorrindo
Se enche de graca
E fica mais lindo
Por causa do amor



Tom Jobim & Vinicius de Moraes, 1963.





30 posted on 02/10/2003 6:51:05 PM PST by mrs slocombe
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To: Paulus Invictus
And thousands of phosphorus fire bombs killed far more Japanese in Tokyo than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. When we got to Tokyo, it was flat with nothing but charred debris for miles in every direction. There were so few people walking around it looked like a village.

The animated film, "Grave of the Fireflies" (definitely *not* for kids) depicts the effects of the war on the Japanese, by following the fate of a brother and sister orphaned by the firebombing of a city -- based on a true story. Although it's a Japanese film and shows the devastation of the war on the Japanese, it points no fingers whatsoever, it's just an examination of the collateral damage of war, almost as if it were a natural disaster. A very moving and tragic film.

31 posted on 02/10/2003 7:04:35 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Brazil - We Need the Bomb

If they want one so badly, I'm sure we could arrange to deliver one to them. *cough*.

32 posted on 02/10/2003 7:05:31 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Paulus Invictus
I *am* the spelling police. Look again at the title of the thread- it was a deliberate sacrifice in the name of good humor. ;-)

Actually, I'm more like the spelling SWAT Team. Others handle the more mundane transgressions and obvious typographical errors by folks who obviously know better.
People are human and sometimes the fingers do stupid things. We let those go.

I am called out to deal with particularly egregious spelling problems.

All units, be on the lookout for 'prolly'. It should be considered armed and particularly annoying. Also known to be in the area is the infamous 'marshall' law. Once a spelling cop himself, he has gone over to a life of crime. He was once one of us, so he knows our ways.

Lets be careful out there.
33 posted on 02/10/2003 7:33:20 PM PST by Riley
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To: Paulus Invictus
The article implied they do a lot of biz in French. Second language and I'm no savage!
34 posted on 02/10/2003 9:02:00 PM PST by ffusco (sempre ragione)
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To: Paulus Invictus
Non Fahlo Portugesa.
35 posted on 02/10/2003 9:02:53 PM PST by ffusco (sempre ragione)
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To: eshu; Goetz_von_Berlichingen; weikel; rdb3; Torie; Willie Green
Brazil - We Need the Bomb ~~ Delusion of sovreignty - Bush'll set'em straight, LOL! 2 posted on 02/10/2003 3:13 PM PST by eshu

"Delusions of Sovereignty"...

...on the part of Brazil, a nation which has been Independent since September 7, 1822 (barely 50 years after our own Republic)?

"Delusions of Sovereignty"?? I hope you're kidding. Brazil is Sovereign.

Brazil is not only a Sovereign Nation, but she supported the USA is not one, but two World Wars (both the "for God's sake, they attacked us", Big War 1939-45; and the "why on God's Earth are we fighting to save the British Empire", the incredibly-pointless Big War 1914-18).

Brazil is a Sovereign Nation. She will produce nuclear weapons whenever she darn well feels like it.

And shortly thereafter, Argentina will produce her own nuclear weapons (not because they really HATE eachother, vis-a-vis Indo-Pakistan... 'cause they don't... it's more of a pride thang. Brazil is Portugese, Argentina is Spanish, and while Argentina is willing to share the "Latin Big Dog" stage with fellow-spanish Mexico, she's not about to let Portugese Brazil steal the limelight).

Within 20 years or less (especially if current trends re-inforce the "if you have Nukes, you are Truly Sovereign" paradigm), both Brazil and Argentina will have their own Nuclear Umbrella. And then what??

Don't get me wrong, I am not for a bloody second opposed to US self-defense. The Anti-War Libertarian Freakazoids aside, I wholly supported the US attack on the Taliban. (Shortly after 9/11, I wanted to drop a nuke on Kabul. I was probably a bit hasty, but that's how I felt. I learned my business in those Two Towers; "you can never go back home", I guess).

Even as concerns this Iraq thing, I try to take a realist view -- I do not think that Iraq would be an Enemy today if we woulda stayed outta their (irrelevant) squabble with Kuwait in 1990; but what's done is done, and they hate us now, and that's a fact.

But in the Long Term view of things... so what? We're gonna go in a kick some Iraqi ass, that's a given. Maybe the Dow will get queasy and fall to 6000 for awhile and make my life difficult (guess I'll be selling some more Bonds), or maybe the Dow will get happy and bounce back to 10,000 and make my life easy. What do I care?

My mortgage is paid either way.

But as I said before... so what?

Or more specifically... THEN WHAT?


The USA frankly doesn't have the everywhere-at-all-times World Overlordship to institute any kind of "Pax Romana", and even if she did... I ain't the type to see the Old Republic go the way of bread and circuses, if I can help it (though between Welfare and State Lotteries, I may be a bit too late).

It's about bleedin' time for another Congress of Vienna, 1815 style.

Britain, Russia, Prussia, Austria, France, Turkey, two partridges in a pear tree.... Britain didn't want to Rule the World; she was wise enough only to seek the title of "Mistress of the Seas". And from 1815 to 1914 (practically an entire century, which ain't bad)... she was. She actually was.

It's called "Balance of Power".

Big Powers will always dominate Small Powers within their respective Regions… this is the way it is. As the Beatles said… “Let it be.”

Let the Big Cocks rule their respective chicken-coops, as long as the USA rules the Roost.

We are not Rome. It’s time for a 21st Century Congress of Vienna.

Strike a Balance of Power… and let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be, let it be.



36 posted on 02/10/2003 10:51:39 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are unworthy servants; We have only done our Duty)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Im with the neocons on this I don't like the idea of anyone havig nukes except the US and I consider the Western Hemisphere our definite sphere of influence.
37 posted on 02/10/2003 10:58:25 PM PST by weikel (Your commie has no regard for human life not even his own)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I love people who come to power in the name of the poor, and the first thing they do is initiate a multi-billion-dollar nuclear weapons program.
38 posted on 02/10/2003 11:02:39 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: weikel; eshu; Goetz_von_Berlichingen; rdb3; Torie; Willie Green
Im with the neocons on this I don't like the idea of anyone havig nukes except the US and I consider the Western Hemisphere our definite sphere of influence. 37 posted on 02/10/2003 10:58 PM PST by weikel

I hear and understand. And I SYMPATHIZE, weikel.
But listen to what I am saying (in relation to the Article posted above):

And Argentina (which is not about to play second-fiddle to Brazil) is not-at-all far behind. ESPECIALLY in a world where Second Powers learn, "If you have Nukes, you are Sovereign".

India has Nukes.
Pakistan has Nukes.

This is not a question of being "for or against" the Neo-Conservative dream of "keeping the world under control".

You CAN'T "keep the world under control". You either adjust, or you find yourself behind-the-times of the facts on the ground.

These are not "going to be" the Facts on the Ground.
These ARE the Facts on the Ground.
The Neo-Conservatives are already behind the times.

The question is, what are we gonna do about it?

Declare war on Technology?
Or adjust to the Facts?

The ugliest, most inhumane, most mercenary, most detestable thing that can be imagined.
Except that it works.

39 posted on 02/10/2003 11:19:55 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are unworthy servants; We have only done our Duty)
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To: weikel; eshu; Goetz_von_Berlichingen; rdb3; Torie; Willie Green
Let the Big Cocks rule their respective chicken-coops, as long as the USA rules the Roost. We are not Rome. It’s time for a 21st Century Congress of Vienna.

Oh, by the way, in my Roster of prospective Continental Powers (post #36), I seem to have forgotten Western Europe.

Such a shame, Western Europe -- that such a once-great (relatively-powerful, though now demographically-doomed) Fount of Western Law, Culture, and Civilization should now be so utterly forgettable.

Fine, then... if Great Britain has consented to be the "Athens" within the USA's Roman "Anglo-sphere", I am perfectly happy to cut Western Europe loose as a "Franco-German" demesne.

They don't like us anyway, and I don't like them.

Between the two of them, a (has-been) Nuclear Power and a (has-been) Economic Power, France and Germany should be able to field a somewhat-competent Armored Division or two. Possibly even a Fighter Squadron, if they don't kill eachother.

That should keep them from being too laughable after we call the US Troops home for Christmas, or at least re-base them away from Continental Europe and within Great Britain (of which I am entirely in favor -- as we are two "brother countries", albeit "separated by a common language"... grin).

And that, I believe, rounds out my list.

40 posted on 02/11/2003 12:00:41 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are unworthy servants; We have only done our Duty)
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