[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Brazil - We Need the Bomb ~~ Delusion of sovreignty - Bush'll set'em straight, LOL! 2 posted on 02/10/2003 3:13 PM PST by eshu

"Delusions of Sovereignty"...

...on the part of Brazil, a nation which has been Independent since September 7, 1822 (barely 50 years after our own Republic)?

"Delusions of Sovereignty"?? I hope you're kidding. Brazil is Sovereign.

In fact I suspect that you are "kidding"... perhaps you are making fun of the Globo-Cops which presently infest Free Republic.

Brazil is not only a Sovereign Nation, but she supported the USA is not one, but two World Wars (both the "for God's sake, they attacked us", Big War 1939-45; and the "why on God's Earth are we fighting to save the British Empire", the incredibly-pointless Big War 1914-18).

Brazil is a Sovereign Nation. She will produce nuclear weapons whenever she darn well feels like it.

And shortly thereafter, Argentina will produce her own nuclear weapons (not because they really HATE eachother, vis-a-vis Indo-Pakistan... 'cause they don't... it's more of a pride thang. Brazil is Portugese, Argentina is Spanish, and while Argentina is willing to share the "Latin Big Dog" stage with fellow-spanish Mexico, she's not about to let Portugese Brazil steal the limelight).

Within 20 years or less (especially if current trends re-inforce the "if you have Nukes, you are Truly Sovereign" paradigm), both Brazil and Argentina will have their own Nuclear Umbrella. And then what??

Is the "Hyper-Power" USA supposed to play "Globo-Cop" over an ever-decreasing realm of "US Empire", as one Second Power after another declares, MC Hammer style, "can't touch this"?
• ("nah-na-na-nah... we got Nukes... can't touch us")

Don't get me wrong, I am not for a bloody second opposed to US self-defense. The Anti-War Libertarian Freakazoids aside, I wholly supported the US attack on the Taliban. (Shortly after 9/11, I wanted to drop a nuke on Kabul. I was probably a bit hasty, but that's how I felt. I learned my business in those Two Towers; "you can never go back home", I guess).

Even as concerns this Iraq thing, I try to take a realist view -- I do not think that Iraq would be an Enemy today if we woulda stayed outta their (irrelevant) squabble with Kuwait in 1990; but what's done is done, and they hate us now, and that's a fact.

Given, as a Christian, I am reflexively Anti-War. I think that's a perfectly Jesus-like attitude for a Christian to have; War is never my first choice, never my second, always my last. But I am not some Leftist Peace-Nik who forgot to read Exodus 22:2.

But in the Long Term view of things... so what? We're gonna go in a kick some Iraqi ass, that's a given. Maybe the Dow will get queasy and fall to 6000 for awhile and make my life difficult (guess I'll be selling some more Bonds), or maybe the Dow will get happy and bounce back to 10,000 and make my life easy. What do I care?

My mortgage is paid either way.

But as I said before... so what?

Or more specifically... THEN WHAT?

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The USA frankly doesn't have the everywhere-at-all-times World Overlordship to institute any kind of "Pax Romana", and even if she did... I ain't the type to see the Old Republic go the way of bread and circuses, if I can help it (though between Welfare and State Lotteries, I may be a bit too late).

It's about bleedin' time for another Congress of Vienna, 1815 style.

Britain, Russia, Prussia, Austria, France, Turkey, two partridges in a pear tree.... Britain didn't want to Rule the World; she was wise enough only to seek the title of "Mistress of the Seas". And from 1815 to 1914 (practically an entire century, which ain't bad)... she was. She actually was.

It's called "Balance of Power".

• Let America be the Patron of North America (plus Britain, Canada, and Australia-New Zealand, I like that whole “Anglo-sphere” idea. Honorable Mentions to India and Kenya.)
• Let Brazil and Argentina compete for South America. And the Lord Said, there was a Balance of Power, and it was Good.
• Let South Africa and Nigeria compete for Africa. And the Lord Said, there was a Balance of Power, and it was Good.
• Let Egypt and Israel compete for the Middle East. And the Lord Said, there was a Balance of Power, and it was Good.
• Let Turkey and Iran compete for Southwest Asia. And the Lord Said, there was a Balance of Power, and it was Good.
• Let China and India compete for South Asia. And the Lord Said, there was a Balance of Power, and it was Good.
• Let Russia and China compete for Eurasia. And the Lord Said, there was a Balance of Power, and it was Good.
• Let Japan and China compete for East Asia. And the Lord Said, there was a Balance of Power, and it was Good.

Big Powers will always dominate Small Powers within their respective Regions… this is the way it is. As the Beatles said… “Let it be.”

Let the Big Cocks rule their respective chicken-coops, as long as the USA rules the Roost.

We are not Rome. It’s time for a 21st Century Congress of Vienna.

Strike a Balance of Power… and let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be, let it be.

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Posted to "Torie" for his opinions as a Neo-Conservative (which I respect; one of the few), and to "rdb3" for his opinions as a War-Fighter (which I am NOT, and therefore doubly respect)

[weikel]

Im with the neocons on this I don't like the idea of anyone havig nukes except the US and I consider the Western Hemisphere our definite sphere of influence.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Let the Big Cocks rule their respective chicken-coops, as long as the USA rules the Roost. We are not Rome. It’s time for a 21st Century Congress of Vienna.

Oh, by the way, in my Roster of prospective Continental Powers (post #36), I seem to have forgotten Western Europe.

Such a shame, Western Europe -- that such a once-great (relatively-powerful, though now demographically-doomed) Fount of Western Law, Culture, and Civilization should now be so utterly forgettable.

Fine, then... if Great Britain has consented to be the "Athens" within the USA's Roman "Anglo-sphere", I am perfectly happy to cut Western Europe loose as a "Franco-German" demesne.

They don't like us anyway, and I don't like them.

Between the two of them, a (has-been) Nuclear Power and a (has-been) Economic Power, France and Germany should be able to field a somewhat-competent Armored Division or two. Possibly even a Fighter Squadron, if they don't kill eachother.

That should keep them from being too laughable after we call the US Troops home for Christmas, or at least re-base them away from Continental Europe and within Great Britain (of which I am entirely in favor -- as we are two "brother countries", albeit "separated by a common language"... grin).

And that, I believe, rounds out my list.

[eshu]

In fact I suspect that you are "kidding"... perhaps you are making fun of the Globo-Cops which presently infest Free Republic.

Yep.

[rdb3]

You make some good points.

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