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1 posted on 02/10/2003 3:14:35 AM PST by kattracks
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NATO: RIP
2 posted on 02/10/2003 3:20:15 AM PST by Arkie2 (What do you call 100,000 Frenchmen with their arms in the air? The Army!)
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The Axis of Weasels is complete.


No protection for the Turks? What a bunch of pious hypocrites in the German government. Where would they be if WE hadn't protected BERLIN from the Soviets in 1949?

Euroweenies show their true colors once again.

3 posted on 02/10/2003 3:25:44 AM PST by petuniasevan (Ahh---Germany, the leader in civilized behavior---barf---backstabbing again.)
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It may be time to reconsider NATO, in that it is well past time for the Europeans to fully take on the expense to defend and protect themselves. The economies of the EU states are strong enough in their own right to be able to afford the costs. We can spend the savings on missile defense and rapid force projection, and let the surrender monkeys take care of themselves. The US no longer needs to subsidize a basic responsibility of nation-states.
5 posted on 02/10/2003 3:26:35 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy
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Boycott ALL French and German products!!!!!!
7 posted on 02/10/2003 3:28:05 AM PST by Highest Authority
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buh bye NATO, UN, France, Germany.
8 posted on 02/10/2003 3:31:58 AM PST by anobjectivist
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9 posted on 02/10/2003 3:32:22 AM PST by petuniasevan ("Anything for a buck": proud slogan of the Axis of Weasels)
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Et tu, Brute?
10 posted on 02/10/2003 3:33:23 AM PST by Martyboy1
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11 posted on 02/10/2003 3:34:50 AM PST by petuniasevan ("Anything for a buck": proud slogan of the Axis of Weasels)
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The war on terrorism is showing just how impotent and irrelevant the methods of the 19th Century are going to be during the 21st Century. The UN, NATO, and even the attempt to form a European Union will be smashed on the shoals of the New World we must lead.
13 posted on 02/10/2003 3:38:18 AM PST by AFPhys
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blocking the start of NATO military planning

My guess is that plan is already in place. This is just some bureaucrat chatter.
15 posted on 02/10/2003 3:43:06 AM PST by doosee
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Defense Minister Peter Struck had still hinted that Germany might be willing to lift its objections.

Too late for that, pretty boy.

18 posted on 02/10/2003 4:02:25 AM PST by Cicero
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I'm sorry, I thought the purpose of NATO was the common defense of its members states. My mistake...
21 posted on 02/10/2003 4:09:35 AM PST by ez ("The course of this nation does not depend on the decisions of others.'' GWB)
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The irony in all this?

NATO is headquartered in Brussels, BELGIUM

24 posted on 02/10/2003 4:17:12 AM PST by petuniasevan (Italian mines in Croatia? Try French WMD in Iraq!)
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Turkey has enacted an article under the NATO treaty that allows them to call an emergency meeting. This article has never previously been enacted. Looks like Turkey is not going to let France, Belgium, and Germany play games with their defense.
28 posted on 02/10/2003 4:27:11 AM PST by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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There is gestapo in their blood. It runs ugly, black, and deep.
31 posted on 02/10/2003 4:29:52 AM PST by joyful1
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Hmmm, 18 European nations are with us, and 3 are not.
I notice the Libs, who cannot address this conundrum, choose to ignore it.
Just like the slogan of the New York Times: "All the News That Fits".
33 posted on 02/10/2003 4:36:55 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is a war room".)
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France, Germany and Belgium block start of NATO plan

02/10/2003

Associated Press

BRUSSELS, Belgium - France, Germany and Belgium blocked NATO efforts to begin planning for possible Iraqi attacks against Turkey, deepening the rift between those countries and the United States over the Iraq crisis.

The alliance would have automatically begun planning for the defense of Turkey, which fears retaliation from neighboring Iraq in case of an invasion, at 4 a.m. EST if no country protested the move.

France - piqued by what it saw as U.S. attempts to railroad them into a decision - beat the deadline by an hour with its veto, and Belgium backed the move. Germany, which has staunchly opposed military action against Iraq, expressed its support as well. They argued that supporting NATO's efforts would force the crisis into a "logic of war."

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Later Monday, Turkey requested emergency consultations under NATO's mutual defense treaty, believed to be the first time in the 53-year history of the alliance any nation has done so.

By requesting the consultations, Turkey is now expected to ask for the planning to begin. Diplomats say they expect France, Germany and Belgium to drop their protests with the request.

"What is important is that we arrive at a consensus and I'm confident we will," said NATO Secretary-General Lord Robertson.

Turkey is the only NATO member to border Iraq and is a likely launch pad for U.S. strikes on its southern neighbor. There are concerns Iraq could launch missiles against if war breaks out.

While the planning is a procedural move that would only take a few days, it revealed the deep fissures within NATO over dealing with Iraq. France believes U.N. inspectors should be given more time to search Iraq for weapons of mass destruction, while the United States says Saddam Hussein has run out of time.

The United States had lobbied hard for more than three weeks for the alliance to start the military planning, which was backed by all 19 NATO allies except for France, Belgium and Germany. All NATO decisions require unanimous support from the allies.

Even if France relents, the 19 NATO members will have to agree again to approve the actual deployment of defense forces, which would include AWACS early warning planes, Patriot anti-missile batteries and units specialized in handling germ warfare or poison gas attacks.

At a stormy weekend meeting in Munich, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld warned continued delays in responding to Turkey's request were "inexcusable" and risked undermining the alliance's credibility.

Rumsfeld intensified his criticism in an interview Sunday with Italy's La Republica newspaper. "Shameful, for me it's truly shameful," Rumsfeld was quoted as saying. "Turkey is an ally. An ally that is risking everything ... How can you refuse it help?"

Meanwhile, Secretary of State Colin Powell warned that if the next U.N. inspectors' report, which is due Friday, shows Iraq is still not cooperating with inspections, the White House will seek a U.N. resolution authorizing a U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

In France, officials said it was too early to start military preparations while diplomatic efforts continued to avoid war. However, they stressed they would help the Turks if they judged it necessary.

"If Turkey was really under threat, France would be one of the first at its side," French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie told reporters in Munich. "Today we don't feel that threat is there."

In Iraq, the chief U.N. weapons inspectors ended two days of talks saying they had noticed a "positive attitude" in Baghdad toward their efforts of ensuring Iraq is free of banned arms.

The Iraqis gave the chief inspectors more documents to try to clarify lingering questions about 1980s chemical and biological weapons, and said they would establish commissions to search for additional documents and any leftover weapons.

On Sunday, Germany said it would join with France in presenting to the Security Council an initiative to disarm Iraq without war, a proposal bluntly dismissed by U.S. officials. The proposal reportedly includes the deployment of U.N. soldiers and would require Iraqi cooperation.

Early Monday, the French and Belgian foreign ministers spoke and said they still opposed the automatic start of military planning. They believe the planning would convey the message that NATO believes no peaceful solution to the Iraq standoff can be found.

"They had their talks and they will continue to block," said Belgian government spokesman Didier Seeuws of the talks between his foreign minister Louis Michel and his French counterpart Dominique de Villepin.

The planning would lay the groundwork to send surveillance planes, anti-missile batteries and units specialized in dealing with germ warfare and poison gas attacks to Turkey.

Diplomats said they expected France and the other holdouts to drop their objections to the military planning with the Turkey request.

"I trust the alliance will stick together and we will help Turkey," Norwegian Defense Minister Kristin Krohn Devold said Sunday. "I have a strong belief in common sense."

As well as trans-Atlantic differences, the deadlock has highlighted deep divisions among European allies. The majority, led by Britain, Spain and Italy, backs the tough U.S. stance against Iraq, while France and Germany have been fierce opponents.

Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin was headed to Paris on Monday to discuss Iraq with President Jacques Chirac, another leading opponent of war against Hussein. They were expected to urge that the crisis be resolved peacefully.


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36 posted on 02/10/2003 4:54:49 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye SADdam. You're soon to meet your buddy Stalin in Hades.)
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All three(including Germany)were saved from a tyrant by the US. At the time the US took heat for waiting so long to join the fight. Now all three say it is too early to take out another tyrant. That more time is needed to let diplomacy work. But I doubt that the oppressed people of Iraq nor the jewish populations of these three countries agree.
38 posted on 02/10/2003 5:05:42 AM PST by Phlap
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What are the procedures to kick a member out of Nato?
41 posted on 02/10/2003 5:11:20 AM PST by Edmund Burke
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For more than 40 years America bore the major expense in blood & treasure defending Western Europe. We were willing to risk losing American troops and American cities to defend Germany & France should they be attacked. The treachery of these two nation in particular is staggering.

42 posted on 02/10/2003 5:13:35 AM PST by Larry381
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