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Iraq moving troops, artillery closer to Kuwaiti border
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Posted on 02/06/2003 7:47:19 AM PST by lightsabre

Iraq moving troops, artillery closer to Kuwaiti border By JUAN O. TAMAYO Knight Ridder Newspapers

KUWAIT CITY - Iraq is moving troops and artillery closer to its southern border with Kuwait and deploying them astride highways in preparation for U.S. attacks, according to military officers with access to the region.

Iraqi forces also are increasing intelligence activities along the demilitarized border, sending tough-looking "civilians" to visit the area, the officers said. U.S. commanders, meanwhile, have dispatched crew-cut American "engineers" to the border, the officers said.

Most of the Iraqi troops look ragged, and some complain that they are eating only bread and aren't being paid, said officers in the 32-nation U.N. Iraq-Kuwait Observer Mission, based on the border.

"Some say their families were put under protective custody" to make sure they fight, "and try to sell us things just to eat," said a UNIKOM officer who traveled recently on the Iraqi side of the 150-mile border.

Tens of thousands of U.S. troops in Kuwait would use the oil-rich sheikdom of Kuwait as a springboard for a ground attack on Iraq if President Bush decides to invade.

U.S. military experts have long predicted that American troops would face little resistance from Iraq's ill-trained and poorly equipped regular army, largely stationed far from Baghdad. More formidable and elite Republican Guard and Special Republic Guard units guard the capital, some 280 miles north of the border with Kuwait.

UNIKOM officers who patrol the 9-mile-wide demilitarized zone, created after the 1991 Persian Gulf War, and who travel in southern Iraq provided a firsthand independent look at war preparations and troop morale in the region.

"They are terrified," said one army captain, clad in a blue beret. "They won't surrender at the first shot. They will surrender when they hear the first American tank turn on its engine."

Officers from four UNIKOM member-nations said a few thousand Iraqi troops moved closer to the border in recent weeks and began digging trenches on either side of the three north-south roads in the region.

Iraq also deployed a half-dozen 105 mm artillery pieces and several anti-aircraft guns in firebases surrounded by 15-foot-high sand berms on the northeast end of the border near the port of Umm Qasr, they said.

An army division based in the Iraqi city of Basra, 28 miles north of the border, has established a new combat command post near Umm Qasr, they added.

All the officers asked for anonymity because of their U.N. assignments.

Some Iraqi soldiers were armed with British pre-World War II machine guns, prompting speculation that they may be militiamen.

Iraqi troops mostly go unshaven and wear tattered uniforms, sometimes with sandals instead of boots. Some complain that they have been paid only a half-month's salary in the past three months, the officers said.

Soldiers have told visitors that they receive one pizza-like piece of bread at each meal and sometimes beg food from passing civilians and UNIKOM personnel.

One UNIKOM officer said he had spotted two groups of suspected Iraqi soldiers in civilian clothes and vehicles cruising the DMZ in apparent intelligence-gathering missions.

Four young Iraqi men are slowly building a house in the DMZ on high ground, where they can easily observe western Kuwait, the officer said. Some nights, what appears to be a radio antenna sprouts from the house.

Several groups of American civilians also have visited the DMZ recently, the officer added, "some with crew cuts and young enough to be my son, not the oil engineers they claim to be."

A few thousand Iraqi civilians and even fewer Kuwaiti civilians live on their sides of the DMZ, 3.1 miles wide on the Kuwaiti side and 6.2 miles on Iraq's. Civilian traffic from one country to the other is banned.

Iraqi and Kuwaiti troops are banned from the DMZ, but policemen with side arms are stationed at sandbagged observation posts on either side of the zone.

UNIKOM troops, who come from armed forces in Europe, Africa, Asia and North and South America, are based in the DMZ and can go into Iraq to coordinate with officials there.

U.S. and British troops stay out of Iraq to avoid incidents, however, because American and British warplanes that aren't not attached to UNIKOM regularly bomb anti-aircraft emplacements in southern Iraq.

The peacekeepers' Bangladeshi battalion provides armed security in the DMZ. Other countries provide support services such as road maintenance, mess halls, electricity and water, communications and medical units.

The international border is marked by several layers of sand berms and ditches too wide and deep to be breached by vehicles, plus an electrified fence on the Kuwaiti side.

UNIKOM officers said they had quietly advised their troops to be ready to evacuate the DMZ quickly in case of war and to watch UNIKOM's American members, because they might get advance warning.

"But I don't think there will be much fighting here," one UNIKOM captain said during an interview in a coffee shop. "That waiter there looks more together than any soldier I have seen in southern Iraq."


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KEYWORDS: gw2; iraq; surrender; terrified; troops
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To: lightsabre
Heck - even these guys could beat the Iraqis!


41 posted on 02/06/2003 8:44:28 AM PST by mhking
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To: johniegrad
"...lefty human shields?"

CIA? Special Forces?

42 posted on 02/06/2003 8:44:40 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (I heart "New" Europe!)
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To: mitchbert
"Hard to do, I know, and maybe not at all practical. But if it were possible it would be a beautiful way to figuratively scream SHUT UP at the whole 'Americans just want to kill Iraqi's' crowd"

As soon as they know action is imminent, no doubt there will be a huge number of them slipping quietly across the border and even more quietly giving themselves up.

43 posted on 02/06/2003 8:45:52 AM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: johniegrad
Is this a reference to lefty human shields?

Crewcuts ?

Nah...

44 posted on 02/06/2003 8:46:43 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Loyalist
What would happen if the Iraqi militia and the French army faced each other?

A black hole would form instantly...

45 posted on 02/06/2003 8:46:55 AM PST by adaven
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To: mitchbert
"If there's any way to give these and any other Iraqi troops an opportunity to save themselves before the shooting starts (without signing a death warrant for their familes...man this crap makes me want to wring Saddam's neck) it would be truly a mitzvah."

Walp . . stay tuned.

The Raqi commanders headed for Kuwait have only one thought pounding in the back of their minds . .

The Highway To Hell

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"After A Jihad Encounter With The Infidels"
One of Saddam's Elite "Kuwaiti Scavenging" Guards

Another Victory For Saddam

Another Victory For Saddam

Baghdad - Next Right

Highway to Hell was when the Iraqi soldiers started to flee and were driving anything they could to get away. It was very brutal: over 1,000 Iraqi soldiers were killed on a two mile stretch of a highway.

"We flew over the Highway to Hell on the way out and from the air it was really spectacular," Olson says. "It's amazing to see the destruction that can be caused in such a short period of time."

After setting the oil wells on fire, the Iraqi soldiers fled Kuwait by the fastest means possible, the main highway back to Iraq. These soldiers took with them the goods they had looted from both private homes and businesses (appliances, TVs, VCR's, gold, cars anything of value). Their convoy was intercepted and the results of the firefight is shown above. Afterwards while checking for wounded, our soldiers found that every vehicle was packed with stolen goods from Kuwait.

46 posted on 02/06/2003 8:47:01 AM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: Loyalist; Travis McGee; dighton; hchutch
What would happen if the Iraqi militia and the French army faced each other?

You'd need a slo-mo instant replay to see who got their hands up first :o)

47 posted on 02/06/2003 8:48:53 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Loyalist
What would happen if the Iraqi militia and the French army faced each other?

The French would want to do inspections.
The Iraqi would try to hide what they have.

48 posted on 02/06/2003 8:49:28 AM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: Brad Cloven
OPPORTUNITY: Recruit them to do the street fighting in Baghdad. Capture the troops and tanks, put special "friendly" markers on them, and send them in against Saddam's Guard units.

Actually, given how the general Iraqi population hates Saddam, these "friendly" troops will get back to Baghdad a bit too late to fight Saddam because I have a feeling a good fraction of the Iraqi military--knowing they're fighting for a loser--will turn on Saddam and before you know it Saddam Hussein, his inner circle of advisors and closest supporters will most likely be dead from gunfire or from a local mob more than happy to lynch them on the spot. Why do I have this feeling that Saddam will meet the same fate that befell Benito Mussolini? (For those who haven't read up on history, Mussolini was captured in northern Italy right at the end of the European phase of World War II by anti-fascist partisans, executed, and their bodies hung up in public square, where the local crowd jeered and desecrated his body.)

49 posted on 02/06/2003 8:51:04 AM PST by RayChuang88 (Saddam, your jig is up)
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To: Catspaw
How do you surrender to a UAV?....is the software programmed to recognize white flags?...actually, I believe it will happen..some NCO a thousand miles away, flying a Predator with a joystick, will "capture" a bunch of Iraquis...
50 posted on 02/06/2003 9:07:37 AM PST by ken5050
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To: mitchbert
The Iraqi regime will have to be de-Nazified.....literally several thousand people will have to be removed from power..
51 posted on 02/06/2003 9:09:06 AM PST by ken5050
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To: lightsabre
Knight Ridder Newspapers

Are these people using DEBKA as their news source?

52 posted on 02/06/2003 9:12:15 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: RayChuang88
Saddam's probably already ensconced in Libya, Syria or France.
53 posted on 02/06/2003 9:19:16 AM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: ken5050
The Iraqi regime will have to be de-Nazified.....literally several thousand people will have to be removed from power..

There are probably several MILLION Iraqis willing to remove those several thousand from this life, let alone just from power...

54 posted on 02/06/2003 9:19:53 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Robe
I recommend a book called " Bullseye One"

Thanks for the recommendation. I understand that they have their interests in the Middle East, as do we. I also understand that circumstances change. One might buy a snake to help with a rat problem. But when the rats are gone, the snake might be the next problem. We cooperated with Iraq when was the greater danger was Iran.

I can't believe I'm defending the French. If anyone can remember what a facist dictator can do to a country, you would think it would be them. Who would surrender first? The French have already surrendered.

55 posted on 02/06/2003 9:24:00 AM PST by legman ("If God is for us, who can be against us?")
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To: Happy2BMe
It's definitely a matter of weeks - perhaps only a matter of days.

Or a matter of hours...Prediction:

The war starts in less than 48 hours. God bless our troops. Start/Continue praying as hard as you can.

56 posted on 02/06/2003 9:28:43 AM PST by berkeleybeej
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To: Poohbah
You'd need a slo-mo instant replay to see who got their hands up first :o)

My money's on the french. They're far more experienced.

57 posted on 02/06/2003 9:28:56 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: Dead Dog
Lessons given by Mao and Marx. The peoples revolution is thier favorite past time.Communism is nothing more than an excuse to act up.
Hollywood is the prime example, of Actors acting up!

Its in the nature of the communist beast.
Ops4 God Bless America!
58 posted on 02/06/2003 9:31:16 AM PST by OPS4
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To: lightsabre
"Iraq also deployed a half-dozen 105 mm artillery pieces and several anti-aircraft guns in firebases surrounded by 15-foot-high sand berms on the northeast end of the border near the port of Umm Qasr, they said. "

How thoughtful. That will limit collateral damage when their ready ammo goes up!

59 posted on 02/06/2003 9:35:28 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: AppyPappy
Maybe they will start surrendering to save their lives before it has officially begun.
60 posted on 02/06/2003 9:37:07 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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