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Iraq moving troops, artillery closer to Kuwaiti border
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Posted on 02/06/2003 7:47:19 AM PST by lightsabre

Iraq moving troops, artillery closer to Kuwaiti border By JUAN O. TAMAYO Knight Ridder Newspapers

KUWAIT CITY - Iraq is moving troops and artillery closer to its southern border with Kuwait and deploying them astride highways in preparation for U.S. attacks, according to military officers with access to the region.

Iraqi forces also are increasing intelligence activities along the demilitarized border, sending tough-looking "civilians" to visit the area, the officers said. U.S. commanders, meanwhile, have dispatched crew-cut American "engineers" to the border, the officers said.

Most of the Iraqi troops look ragged, and some complain that they are eating only bread and aren't being paid, said officers in the 32-nation U.N. Iraq-Kuwait Observer Mission, based on the border.

"Some say their families were put under protective custody" to make sure they fight, "and try to sell us things just to eat," said a UNIKOM officer who traveled recently on the Iraqi side of the 150-mile border.

Tens of thousands of U.S. troops in Kuwait would use the oil-rich sheikdom of Kuwait as a springboard for a ground attack on Iraq if President Bush decides to invade.

U.S. military experts have long predicted that American troops would face little resistance from Iraq's ill-trained and poorly equipped regular army, largely stationed far from Baghdad. More formidable and elite Republican Guard and Special Republic Guard units guard the capital, some 280 miles north of the border with Kuwait.

UNIKOM officers who patrol the 9-mile-wide demilitarized zone, created after the 1991 Persian Gulf War, and who travel in southern Iraq provided a firsthand independent look at war preparations and troop morale in the region.

"They are terrified," said one army captain, clad in a blue beret. "They won't surrender at the first shot. They will surrender when they hear the first American tank turn on its engine."

Officers from four UNIKOM member-nations said a few thousand Iraqi troops moved closer to the border in recent weeks and began digging trenches on either side of the three north-south roads in the region.

Iraq also deployed a half-dozen 105 mm artillery pieces and several anti-aircraft guns in firebases surrounded by 15-foot-high sand berms on the northeast end of the border near the port of Umm Qasr, they said.

An army division based in the Iraqi city of Basra, 28 miles north of the border, has established a new combat command post near Umm Qasr, they added.

All the officers asked for anonymity because of their U.N. assignments.

Some Iraqi soldiers were armed with British pre-World War II machine guns, prompting speculation that they may be militiamen.

Iraqi troops mostly go unshaven and wear tattered uniforms, sometimes with sandals instead of boots. Some complain that they have been paid only a half-month's salary in the past three months, the officers said.

Soldiers have told visitors that they receive one pizza-like piece of bread at each meal and sometimes beg food from passing civilians and UNIKOM personnel.

One UNIKOM officer said he had spotted two groups of suspected Iraqi soldiers in civilian clothes and vehicles cruising the DMZ in apparent intelligence-gathering missions.

Four young Iraqi men are slowly building a house in the DMZ on high ground, where they can easily observe western Kuwait, the officer said. Some nights, what appears to be a radio antenna sprouts from the house.

Several groups of American civilians also have visited the DMZ recently, the officer added, "some with crew cuts and young enough to be my son, not the oil engineers they claim to be."

A few thousand Iraqi civilians and even fewer Kuwaiti civilians live on their sides of the DMZ, 3.1 miles wide on the Kuwaiti side and 6.2 miles on Iraq's. Civilian traffic from one country to the other is banned.

Iraqi and Kuwaiti troops are banned from the DMZ, but policemen with side arms are stationed at sandbagged observation posts on either side of the zone.

UNIKOM troops, who come from armed forces in Europe, Africa, Asia and North and South America, are based in the DMZ and can go into Iraq to coordinate with officials there.

U.S. and British troops stay out of Iraq to avoid incidents, however, because American and British warplanes that aren't not attached to UNIKOM regularly bomb anti-aircraft emplacements in southern Iraq.

The peacekeepers' Bangladeshi battalion provides armed security in the DMZ. Other countries provide support services such as road maintenance, mess halls, electricity and water, communications and medical units.

The international border is marked by several layers of sand berms and ditches too wide and deep to be breached by vehicles, plus an electrified fence on the Kuwaiti side.

UNIKOM officers said they had quietly advised their troops to be ready to evacuate the DMZ quickly in case of war and to watch UNIKOM's American members, because they might get advance warning.

"But I don't think there will be much fighting here," one UNIKOM captain said during an interview in a coffee shop. "That waiter there looks more together than any soldier I have seen in southern Iraq."


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KEYWORDS: gw2; iraq; surrender; terrified; troops
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To: lightsabre
It's definitely a matter of weeks - perhaps only a matter of days.

Saddam's pucker factor is at 9 and 1/2.

21 posted on 02/06/2003 8:18:02 AM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: lightsabre
"They won't surrender at the first shot. They will surrender when they hear the first American tank turn on its engine."

ROFLOL!! WELL SAID BUMP!!! HOOOOOOOWAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!

22 posted on 02/06/2003 8:19:40 AM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: templar
Perhaps we should look at these troops less as enemy warriors and more as hostages awaiting rescue.

I agree. I think this is what it means to pray for your enemies.

These guys are hostages.

The peaceniks could be useful here if they would bring some sandwiches to these poor guys.

23 posted on 02/06/2003 8:20:04 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Arkie2
I feel sorry for these conscripts. They cetainly aren't effective soldiers and definitely don't want to fight. They're just cannon fodder.

Agreed. This is all so pathetic. No Club Med exile for Saddam and his goons. They will not get away with it!

24 posted on 02/06/2003 8:20:46 AM PST by Elenya ( And So It Begins...)
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To: lightsabre
"They are terrified," said one army captain, clad in a blue beret. "They won't surrender at the first shot. They will surrender when they hear the first American tank turn on its engine."

OPPORTUNITY: Recruit them to do the street fighting in Baghdad. Capture the troops and tanks, put special "friendly" markers on them, and send them in against Saddam's Guard units.

They can help fight for their country's freedom.

25 posted on 02/06/2003 8:21:09 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Islamofascism sucks!)
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To: Loyalist
What would happen if the Iraqi militia and the French army faced each other?

They would stand facing each other naked with their underwear on sticks held in their right hands

26 posted on 02/06/2003 8:21:58 AM PST by Robe
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To: Catspaw
"Yes, we are going to have to find an Italian film crew for these Iraqi soldiers to surrender to like they did in 1991."

Sam Donaldson's getting too old now to go for a second try...but bets on when Geraldo bought his ticket to the front?

27 posted on 02/06/2003 8:24:03 AM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: templar
"Perhaps we should look at these troops less as enemy warriors and more as hostages awaiting rescue."

You may be more accurate than you are aware of.

During Desert Storm, our B52 bombers pounded Iraqi positions with brutal devastation prior to our land forces cleaning house.

Tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers surrendered en masse with some surrendering groups in the thousands.

The same bunch is back again - and will crumble like a cracker being stepped on the kitchen floor.

My stepdad was U.S. Army inside Iraq for six months and had the honors of babysitting these camel humpers almost a month until repatriation.

He told me hundreds would approach small groups of 10 or 20 U.S. forces to surrender with their hands trembling so violently from the BUFF bombings they couldn't even hold a cup of water to drink it.

Sha-boom, sha-boom - da da da da da da da, Sha-boom, sha-boom - life would be a dream sweetheart...

28 posted on 02/06/2003 8:24:37 AM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: AppyPappy
Hey Pappy I would like to test this on you. If your whole family was in custody would you fight? Makes you think.
29 posted on 02/06/2003 8:25:13 AM PST by cksharks
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To: Happy2BMe
Right on.

So high, so quiet.
To quote a hapless V.C.:

"One second you are sitting in the forest eating a meal, the next you are sitting on the edge of a crater."
30 posted on 02/06/2003 8:28:41 AM PST by Green Kayak (Air drop "tighty-whities" to help speed things along...)
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To: Catspaw
Or we need to drop copies of the highway of death pictures all over the troops. With the message from the talking heads..... " Your on a road to nowhere.....
31 posted on 02/06/2003 8:30:46 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: cksharks
I'd fight someone but I probably pick the people holding my family.
32 posted on 02/06/2003 8:30:50 AM PST by AppyPappy (Will Code COBOL For Food)
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To: Robe
I believe that there is a big difference between the French military and the French politicians. I would be willing to bet that the military and intellengence communities have been convinced of the danger.

Once the politicians see that the greater political risk is doing nothing and having to answer the second-guessing type questions, they will be on board too.

33 posted on 02/06/2003 8:31:11 AM PST by legman ("If God is for us, who can be against us?")
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To: happygrl
The peaceniks are busy feeding Saddam grapes, fanning him with peacock feahters, and sucking his toes.
34 posted on 02/06/2003 8:31:50 AM PST by Dead Dog (Socialism: Theft justified by lies, enforced by murder)
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To: legman
I recommend a book called " Bullseye One" about the Isralie bombing of the Iraq reactor back in 1981. The French were knee deep in helping SH obtain what he needed for a bomb. And Me thinks they're knee deep in there now, afraid to loose the investment and Face IMHO
35 posted on 02/06/2003 8:34:11 AM PST by Robe
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To: lightsabre
Not as big a deal as the headline makes out.
A few pieces of artillery?
36 posted on 02/06/2003 8:37:03 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: Robe
Isralie = Israeli

Darn, I washed my hands this morning and can't do a thing with 'em
37 posted on 02/06/2003 8:37:28 AM PST by Robe
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To: Happy2BMe
Ho Chi Minh said the only thing that really scared him were the B52's.

If there's any way to give these and any other Iraqi troops an opportunity to save themselves before the shooting starts (without signing a death warrant for their familes...man this crap makes me want to wring Saddam's neck) it would be truly a mitzvah. Hard to do, I know, and maybe not at all practical. But if it were possible it would be a beautiful way to figuratively scream SHUT UP at the whole "Americans just want to kill Iraqi's" crowd.

38 posted on 02/06/2003 8:37:48 AM PST by mitchbert (Facts are stubborn things)
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To: lightsabre
Several groups of American civilians also have visited the DMZ recently, the officer added, "some with crew cuts and young enough to be my son, not the oil engineers they claim to be."

Is this a reference to lefty human shields?

39 posted on 02/06/2003 8:39:03 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: Robe
One has bread the other has cheese. They would likely sahre a meal and await the next army to surrender to.
40 posted on 02/06/2003 8:39:54 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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