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Judge Keeps Tight Rein on Pot Trial (Judge takes over questioning of witness from the defense)
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Jan. 31, 2003 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 01/31/2003 9:12:22 AM PST by Wolfie

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:41:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

References to medical uses quickly squelched in federal court.

The Bay Area's first federal medical marijuana trial ended Thursday with a bizarre touch that symbolized the entire case: The judge took over questioning of a defense witness to make sure he didn't refer to the medical use of marijuana.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society
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To: Roscoe
Drug dealers equal Jewish holocaust victims?

To moral relativists, I guess they don't.

61 posted on 01/31/2003 3:30:27 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Senator Pardek
The Supreme Court? Is that not the judicial body that said abortion must be legal in all 50 states, and that the people in those states have virtually no say in the matter?

Uh yes they did on January 22, 1973 with a 7-2 for Roe in Roe V. Wade, and I beleive that the only person who was involved in that case who is sitting on the court now, Renquist, voted no.

Sorry to say but abortion is still the law of the land from a flawed Supreme Court ruling but that soon maybe changing with a favorable court towards ending partial birth abortion(one step at a time), with the tireless efforts of those who wish to see abortion ended, with such tactics as good honest people going out in the January cold and demonstrating that Roe was wrong.

On the other handit looks like you're fighting a losing battle. The 3 major major pro-drug intiatives that the pro-drug lobby pushed(Arizona, Nevada, and Ohio) all were dealt resounding defeats in last November's election. I do not want to be too confident, since confidence breeds apathy, but it looks like the tide is turning.

And oh yeah dude, 100,000 pot smokers on the mall is nothing new. People just saw that a couple of weekends ago, and basically rejected their message of such signs as "Smoke weed, not Iraqi's".

JMO, but you must kick yourself that you weren't around for the glory days of the leftist drug culture, the late 60's.

I used to do the same thing, but I grew up.

62 posted on 01/31/2003 3:33:06 PM PST by Dane
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To: jodorowsky
"This whole thing is awful."

Only for the human beings involved; it's just great for the prosecutors, sundry support staff, the lawyers, and all the other profiteers of human misery on the gubmint pad.

Note their acephalous triumphalism on this thread. Their sophistry and casuistry essentially boils down to one proposition..."our side has guns, so there."

63 posted on 01/31/2003 3:43:12 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Dane
The 3 major major pro-drug intiatives that the pro-drug lobby pushed(Arizona, Nevada, and Ohio) all were dealt resounding defeats in last November's election.

Good - I'm glad the people in those states were able to make their own decisions. Why can't the people of California be afforded the same opportunity?

JMO, but you must kick yourself that you weren't around for the glory days of the leftist drug culture, the late 60's.

Just curious - how do you know that?

64 posted on 01/31/2003 3:44:07 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
Just curious - how do you know that.

Know what? I just gave my opinon in reply #62, the internet acronym of, JMO, Just my opinion.

65 posted on 01/31/2003 3:55:33 PM PST by Dane
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To: vin-one
Jury nullications sounds like a possiblity here!!!!!

Sorry vinny, but "nullication" didn't happen in this trial.

"Guru of Ganja" (Ed Rosenthal) convicted of marijuana cultivation

And this happened in San Francisco, of all places. There is hope that the era of Johnny Cochran justice may be on the wane.

66 posted on 01/31/2003 4:45:12 PM PST by Dane
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To: steplock; All
We need a party that fits somewhere in between the Republican (semi-democrat party) and the Libertarian (almost anarchist party).

I have decided to vote straight Libertarian next go 'round.

I hate to do it, but it is necessary. Not that I think Libertarians will win anything, in fact I don't want them to win -- they're nuts.

But if they were to get, say 7 to 10 percent of the vote, both parties would be doing backflips thereafter to attract voters of that sentiment.

As it is, both parties spit on our rights and freedoms, and take turns sucking up to eachother's corporate and special interest groups, while we keep voting for one or another option in a creeping totalitarian double bind.

For example: anymore it isn't a question of whether or not your children will be brainwashed, just a question of how they will be brainwashed. The left will brainwash them "to end Hate" but the right will brainwash them "to foster Morality." But you know what? I don't want my daughter brainwashed, period.

Everything is an excuse for more laws of compulsion. Every little "problem" that comes up is "solved" by more laws and more militarized police and more intrusive government less and less freedom. Every commercial, every news story, every speech, always turns out to be just laying the groundwork for a Hegelian "synthesis" which always means less freedom.

Bush hands us little tokens, like eliminating the dividend tax, but then he gives all that money to the DOE, and the DOJ and DEA are meaner than ever! WTF?!?!? Hey great, he mentioned God while he stole my freedom, but a fetus still isn't a human. "Stroke of the pen, law of the land." DO SOMETHING, W!

I am not one that thinks Republicans orchestrated 9/11, but I damn sure see them using it now that it happened, and I don't like the way they are using it.

I understand Jim's expressed position about support for the Republicans -- and his about-face on W -- and agreed with it, tentatively, last election. But now I have to wonder if we "can recognize the face of evil" when we see its profile from the right, or just when we see it's left side.

We used to live in the United States of America, but what this administration is doing, with it's contempt for both the letter and meaning of the Constitution upon which this nation was founded, is a morally treasonous attempt to turn it into the "United Counties of the State of America."

I WANT MY FREEDOM BACK, and voting for either of the parties who consitently work to steal, subvert and undermine my freedom is the only REAL way to throw away my vote.

THE JUDGE WOULDN'T LET THE ATTORNEY ASK THE QUESTIONS! HE TOOK IT UPON HIMSELF TO PHRASE THEM AS HE SAW FIT!

"You cannot substitute your sense of justice, whatever that is, for your duty to follow the law."

Ban me forever for heresy, but this administration is a cruel joke on all of us who voted for it. And the punchline is that most of us will vote for it again. And -- well, I don't know wheter to laugh or cry.

67 posted on 01/31/2003 5:13:12 PM PST by Yeti (Reasonable people can disagree, dammit!)
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To: Yeti
THE JUDGE WOULDN'T LET THE ATTORNEY ASK THE QUESTIONS!

IMHO, the Judge wouldn't let his courtroom be turned into a circus ring by some ambulance chaser.

Ban me forever for heresy, but this administration is a cruel joke on all of us who voted for it. And the punchline is that most of us will vote for it again. And -- well, I don't know wheter to laugh or cry

I certainly would not clamor for your banning, but your little mini-opus is a litle bit over the top, IMO.

68 posted on 01/31/2003 5:45:17 PM PST by Dane
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To: Lord Voldemort
Here's hoping that the pro-bongers at least come up with some new arguments in this thread.

They never do.

It would appear that dope isn't as "consciousness expanding" as they would have us believe.

69 posted on 01/31/2003 6:43:00 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Dane
That must be one of those "bigger things" you spoke of.
Your mere presence indicates it is.
70 posted on 01/31/2003 6:47:09 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Roscoe; Lord Voldemort
I hope you know that you're consorting with someone who condones and endorses anal rape in prison Roscoe.
At least that is what LV implies with little "better buy soap on a rope if you're imprisoned" euphamisms. LV won't come right out and say it though. He lets vague euphamisms do his speaking for him.

No, LV, you'll not live this one down as long as I'm around and as long as I see your nomiker. I'll not forget.

71 posted on 01/31/2003 6:54:20 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Wolfie; Kevin Curry; Chancellor Palpatine; dighton

And a bunch of Henry David Thoreau's, they ain't. If they were, they'd have the character to engage in the same proscribed behaviors which they themselves prescribed, lauded, and sponsored in others, indeed, in their very name. Are these advocates likewise in jail, facing the same consequences, accepting the personal responsibility for their actions? Are they now being asked, "What are you doing in jail?" and are they replying with "And what are you doing out of jail?" No. There is no clarion call being issued to have the jails filled with holy martyrs for The Righteous Cause.

72 posted on 01/31/2003 7:08:43 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Roscoe
And here's hoping for something more substantial then "Pot is evil" and reference to 'dopers,' but I can already forsee my disappointment.

If we held a nationwide referendum on some other 10A issue, say what kind of car you are allowed to drive, would you be so zealous to support a federal ban on SUV's? Gas weed whips? Bad haircuts?

73 posted on 01/31/2003 7:15:30 PM PST by Gianni
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To: Gianni
I can already forsee my disappointment.

Proposition 215 does not allow ''unlimited quantities of marijuana to be grown anywhere." It only allows marijuana to be grown for a patient's personal use. Police officers can still arrest anyone who grows too much, or tries to sell it.

Rebuttal to Argument Against Proposition 215

74 posted on 01/31/2003 7:17:10 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Dane
The 3 major major pro-drug intiatives that the pro-drug lobby pushed(Arizona, Nevada, and Ohio) all were dealt resounding defeats in last November's election.
And the initiative in DC in last November's election was passed with 78% voting in the affirmative.
Did you forget that one or do you not consider it a major major (?) pro-drug intiative?
75 posted on 01/31/2003 7:29:34 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Roscoe
I would agree with you that prop 215 was a poor choice for the defense here; even though I can't jive in my head how terminal cancer patients are supposed to come up with the time and energy to cultivate an HQ pot garden. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems his best chance lay with being closely tied to the City of Oakland.

The question is, what was ER doing that was so offensive as to merit prison time, and for what victims are we seeking recompense? How do you feel about granting his competitor immunity?

76 posted on 01/31/2003 7:36:43 PM PST by Gianni
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To: Roscoe
If we held a nationwide referendum on some other 10A issue, say what kind of car you are allowed to drive, would you be so zealous to support a federal ban on SUV's? Gas weed whips? Bad haircuts?
77 posted on 01/31/2003 7:37:20 PM PST by Gianni
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To: Wolfie
Seems to me that if some one had read This Book this could be resolved easily, right from the get-go.
79 posted on 01/31/2003 7:42:58 PM PST by morque2001
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