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Professor Refuses Letters of Recommendation to Creationist Students
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Posted on 01/30/2003 7:15:04 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-evolution-dispute0130jan30,0,713004.story

Professor's Letter Refusal Causes Probe By LISA FALKENBERG Associated Press Writer

January 30, 2003, 9:50 AM EST

DALLAS -- A biology professor who refuses to write letters of recommendation for his students if they don't believe in evolution is being accused of religious discrimination, and federal officials are investigating, the school said.

The legal complaint was filed against Texas Tech University and professor Michael Dini by a student and the Liberty Legal Institute, a religious freedom group that calls Dini's policy "open religious bigotry."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: creationzealots; crevolist; flatearthsociety; highereducation; michaeldobbs; zzzzzzzzzz
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To: Right Wing Professor
Your example is a poor one. Please choose a better one. Get your head out of the dark places, step back, and take an objective look at this. There... it is much clearer now isn't it.

I know good profs and I know bad ones. The main difference is that the bad ones believe THEY are the final answer. The good ones want to know and teach the truth. You sir, are a bad one.

141 posted on 01/30/2003 10:18:36 AM PST by OperationFreedom
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To: ContentiousObjector; Dataman
Handing in a project on creationism in a biology class is akin to handing in an essay on alchemy in chemistry or handing in a playboy centerfold stapled to an empty pizza box as you English PhD thesis.

The centerfold/pizza box idea would probably pass muster in most collegiate fine arts programs today, but it might be just a bit of a stretch as an English thesis. Then again, given what's happening in the English Lit. biz, you never know.

But back to the point. You pose an amusing strawman, but I very much doubt the student in question was handing in creationist screeds as biology assignments. We don't know precisely what flavor of biology course this was, but I'd imagine the kid had mastered whatever it was he was supposed to know about organic systems, comparative anatomy, biochemistry, etc. Let's assume he is a solid student, since he is supposedly angling for med school. Very likely, he got an A in the course if he was asking for a recommendation in the first place.

It still seems to me this prof is quite simply imposing a religious test. Dataman called it blackballing, which is exactly right. I will grant that someone's views on the first chapter of Genesis might affect his fitness to hold the Stephen Jay Gould Chair of Evolutionary Theory at the local cow college, but I don't see what it has to do with being a perfectly fine physician.

142 posted on 01/30/2003 10:19:51 AM PST by sphinx
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To: OperationFreedom
I know good profs and I know bad ones. The main difference is that the bad ones believe THEY are the final answer. The good ones want to know and teach the truth. You sir, are a bad one.

I'm crushed.

143 posted on 01/30/2003 10:20:21 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Looks like CO and RWP are describing their haughty selves here. Have at it boys.
144 posted on 01/30/2003 10:20:38 AM PST by OperationFreedom
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To: Right Wing Professor
Very good. Now find me a creationist I don't dislike.

Get your nose out of that biology book long enough to meet some people professor. The law of averages say you will meet someone that you don't dislike & is a creationist.
145 posted on 01/30/2003 10:22:52 AM PST by usastandsunited
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To: Right Wing Professor
We see no evidence you can be won over with any of the above. We've concluded you're zealots.

You don't have enough evidence to keep your own. Remember I was an indoctrinated evo and you couldn't keep me. The evidence just wasn't there. I was being asked to believe many things that just weren't true. So you lost me as you have lost many others... not just students but professors and scientists as well.

All of the above is available to you in any case; why should we spoon feed it to you?

I believe you should spoon feed it to those students who paid for you to do just that. Otherwise, any old algore can teach a college class- just make the students research the subject themselves.

We really don't care if you're persuaded; we just want to make sure you don't get in the way of our science.

Oh. It's your science. It's an elite club that only allows members who know the password? What an elitist attitude!

By and large our encounters with you have been met with nastiness on your end.

An accusation which can never be made of your side, right? Another double standard.

146 posted on 01/30/2003 10:23:09 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Right Wing Professor
Class, can you describe humor to me? No? I will let this self important professor describe it to you then.

Yes Wilbur???

Well now, you do ave a point. his particular professor is not known for his sense of humor. And yes he is rather egotistical. And yes he thinks his opinion is the final answer. OK, I'll do this. Why don't you all ask him about the valisity of Creation and then use his response as an example of humor. I know at the very least it will make the intelligent ones among you roll with laughter.

Class, let me introduce to you Mr. Right Wing Professor."

147 posted on 01/30/2003 10:26:36 AM PST by OperationFreedom
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To: Dataman
I believe you should spoon feed it to those students who paid for you to do just that. Otherwise, any old algore can teach a college class- just make the students research the subject themselves.

Tell you what; pay your tuition and I will, or better yet, I'll point you to a colleague who teaches it on a regular basis.

148 posted on 01/30/2003 10:26:57 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Not all crows are black. But since you never saw a white crow I guess you will continue to claim all crows are black. OK then.
149 posted on 01/30/2003 10:27:35 AM PST by OperationFreedom
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To: OperationFreedom
That's a valiant first attempt. Keep trying!
150 posted on 01/30/2003 10:28:29 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Science works, regardless of what your view of science is. No philosopher of science, qua philosopher, has really made the slightest impact on science.

What? Darwin, a naturalist, set out to abolish the Design Theory based on philosophical, moral, and theological reasons. Surely you have heard of the “X” Club and the Young Guard.

151 posted on 01/30/2003 10:28:39 AM PST by Heartlander
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To: OperationFreedom
No, I did see a white crow, or at least a picture of one. Someone just posted it.
152 posted on 01/30/2003 10:29:12 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: OperationFreedom
"Class, can you describe humor to me? No? Then I will let this self important professor describe it to you.

Yes Wilbur???

Well now, you do have a point. This particular professor is not known for his sense of humor. And yes, he is rather egotisticalto the point of thinking that his opinion is the final answer.

OK, I'll do this. Why don't you all ask him about the valisity of Creation and then use his response as an example of humor. I know at the very least it will make the intelligent ones among you roll with laughter.

Class, let me introduce to you Mr. Right Wing Professor."

153 posted on 01/30/2003 10:31:33 AM PST by OperationFreedom
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To: Right Wing Professor
Thank you. Humor writing is not my strength so I appreciate the compliment.
154 posted on 01/30/2003 10:32:59 AM PST by OperationFreedom
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To: OperationFreedom
This version has all the letters in it that the last one was missing... I think anyways.
155 posted on 01/30/2003 10:34:13 AM PST by OperationFreedom
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To: sphinx
that post was in responce to someone posting the prof's "Minimum Standards Of Correctness" which stated anti-evolutionary material would be failing material not the original article
156 posted on 01/30/2003 10:36:56 AM PST by ContentiousObjector
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To: ContentiousObjector
Then why do you not accept the Bible's version of how this all started. Honestly.

I personally lived to discredit it but there was no better theory out there and so I choose to accept the one that made the most sense scientifically speaking.

157 posted on 01/30/2003 10:39:34 AM PST by OperationFreedom
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To: Heartlander
My Harper Collins Dictionary of Biography lists Darwin under 'Scientists', and does not list him under 'Philosophers'. However, no doubt they'll revise that in the next edition once you've let them know how wrong they are.
158 posted on 01/30/2003 10:39:59 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
This has nothing to do with my point.
159 posted on 01/30/2003 10:41:13 AM PST by Heartlander
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To: OperationFreedom
Still a ton of misssspelinggs in that post. I get in too big of a hurry I am afraid.
160 posted on 01/30/2003 10:42:48 AM PST by OperationFreedom
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