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Powell Says He Disagrees With Bush on University of Michigan Affirmative Action Case
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Posted on 01/19/2003 2:50:22 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant

In Rare Public Dissent, Powell Says He Disagrees With Bush on University of Michigan Affirmative Action Case By Scott Lindlaw Associated Press Writer Published: Jan 19, 2003

WASHINGTON (AP) - Secretary of State Colin Powell said Sunday he disagrees with President Bush's position on an affirmative action case before the Supreme Court. Powell, one of two black members of Bush's Cabinet, said he supports methods the University of Michigan uses to bolster minority enrollments in its undergraduate and law school programs. The policies offer points to minority applicants and set goals for minority admissions.

"Whereas I have expressed my support for the policies used by the University of Michigan, the president, in looking at it, came to the conclusion that it was constitutionally flawed based on the legal advice he received," Powell said on the CBS program "Face the Nation."

It was a rare public acknowledgment of dissent with the president and with other top White House aides.

National security adviser Condoleezza Rice said she backed Bush's decision to step into the case before the Supreme Court and to argue that the University of Michigan's methods were unconstitutional. She said on NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday that there are "problems" with the university's selection policies, and cited the points system.

But she also said race can be a factor in colleges' selection process. The brief the Bush administration filed with the Supreme Court was silent on that issue of whether race can be a factor under some circumstances.

"It is important to take race into consideration if you must, if race-neutral means do not work," she said.

Rice said she had benefited from affirmative action during her career at Stanford University.

"I think they saw a person that they thought had potential, and yes, I think they were looking to diversify the faculty," she said.

"I think there's nothing wrong with that in the United States," Rice said. "It does not mean that one has to go to people of lower quality. Race is a factor in our society."

In a speech to the Republican National Convention in 2000, Powell sharply criticized GOP attacks on affirmative action.

"We must understand the cynicism that exists in the black community," he said. "The kind of cynicism that is created when, for example, some in our party miss no opportunity to roundly and loudly condemn affirmative action that helped a few thousand black kids get an education, but you hardly heard a whimper from them over affirmative action for lobbyists who load our federal tax codes with preferences for special interests."

Sunday on CNN, Powell said he remained "a strong proponent of affirmative action."

Education Secretary Rod Paige is the other black member of Bush's Cabinet.

Paige firmly agrees with Bush's stance, a spokesman said Sunday.

"Secretary Paige believes in equal opportunity for all students and he fully supports President Bush's position on the University of Michigan case," said spokesman Dan Langan. He wasn't sure whether Paige agreed with Rice that race can sometimes be a factor in university admissions.

Bush, who drew 9 percent of the black vote in 2000, was attending a predominantly black church on the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday Monday.

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To: Norman Arbuthnot
20 points for the scions of even the most wealthy and well-educated black families.
41 posted on 01/19/2003 4:54:51 PM PST by Pukka Puck
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To: No Truce With Kings
It doesn't matter if he disagrees with President Bush. That is not unusual. No one agree 100% of the time. However, he should never have said so in public. If you don't agree with the President and you work for him you keep your mouth shut.
42 posted on 01/19/2003 5:00:54 PM PST by Kath (Lubya Dubya)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Powell admits that Blacks are subhuman. Blacks can not compete on level grounds, they need the superhuman liberals(mostly arrogant, feel good, hypocrit liberal, lilly whites)to tilt the field to the left. I wonder how MLK feels about this. Did he not say in his famous words: "A man should not be judged by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character"? Powell should hang his head in shame for insulting his fellow Blacks.
43 posted on 01/19/2003 5:13:30 PM PST by desertcry
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To: ArcLight
Your insight and experience is greatly appreciated.

I wish both parties would support outreach for the economically disadvantaged (which disproportionately help blacks and hispanics) and jettison this fixation on pigmentation. This would hopefully eliminate the stigma of affirmative action and promote excellence among all socioeconomic strata.
44 posted on 01/19/2003 5:24:35 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
I respect Powell for admitting that he was a direct beneficiary of affirmative action - particulary his selection as Chairman of the JCS. I remember the bitter and unbelieving comments of those who were passed over - and their incredulity that Powell had never had a large command (I am not familiar with what level they were talking about), and yet was selected over several others that had all the experiences and command grades thought to be essential to be a Joint Chief.

That said, I think he's the right man for the job over at State. You've got to be a little bit of a pollyana to work with, much less lead that herd of kittens - and he seems to be a believer in diplomacy at all costs - which helps with these charades we have to endure with our foppish allies.

And he's free to have his opinions about a subject he has no policy control over. Heh-heh.
45 posted on 01/19/2003 5:25:07 PM PST by guitfiddlist
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To: optimistically_conservative
(See the Guidelines for Calculation of an Engineering Selection Index for the Professional Diversity points awarded for women applicants to the College of Engineering.)

The School of Nursing thing is a cover (what, only 5 points?) to implement it to get women to enter the School of Engineering (and subsequently flunk out, but hey, we satisfied our quotas, right?).

46 posted on 01/19/2003 5:33:56 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
G-d forbid he keep his stupid mouth shut about policy outside his purview.
47 posted on 01/19/2003 6:10:58 PM PST by montag813
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To: Kath
"If you don't agree with the President and you work for him you keep your mouth shut."

Why? The only reason I can see for that rule is if the President lacks confidence in his own judgement, or lacks the maturity to live with criticism. It makes sense for a President like Clinton or Carter, but Reagan or Bush don't need to be coddled in that type of cotton-wool.

I suspect, that W., coming from a management background, doesn't care a flip. His style is to bring people from a diversity of backgrounds with strong opinions together, and let the solution come from the clash of ideas. That is one reason why his solutions are so much stronger than those of Clinton -- or on the Republican side, Nixon.

If Colin Powell disagrees on affirmative action or abortion, so what? Powell is Secretary of State, not Secretary of Education or Surgeon General. (You will notice that Paige agrees with the President on affirmative action.)

As we have seen, Bush does not care what his subordinates believe, only what they do. He cleaned house in the Treasury, not because those guys did not agree with him, but rather because they did not carry out the policies Bush mandated. Similarly, so long as Powell executes Bush's policies at State, his personal opinions are his to have.
48 posted on 01/19/2003 6:22:16 PM PST by No Truce With Kings
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To: Pukka Puck
Rice did not contradict herself. Stating that race can be "a factor" is not related to saying "race quotas are good".

Fact - race is a factor. Period. But quotas are not the way. She did not support quotas.

A purely "race-neutral" approach would not consider race at all. That would be fine if the colleges did not already factor in things like "applicant is a child of an alumnus." So - one could argue that only academic test scores should be used. Or academic test scores plus grades. But what about high school athletics? Club participation? How well the kid writes their essay? Maybe they have superlative musical skills? Etcetera. In the latter context, where all those other things are already being considered, then yes, ethnic background (not skin color) can reasonably be considered as "a factor". With NO QUOTAS being applied. And if it is dealt with like that, no constitutional issues apply.

49 posted on 01/19/2003 7:12:53 PM PST by dark_lord
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To: dark_lord
Race should never be a factor. period.

Rice and Powell are wrong.

All those things you mentioned, as bad as they are, are race nuetral. And those factors are never considered as a means to the end of diversifying a student body anyway.

Maybe Rice didn't suggest diversfication would be the goal by considering race to be a factor, but it would be impossible let someone in because of race without denying someone else just because they aren;t the right color.

To tell someone just because they are the wrong ethnic background or wrong color that they are not allowed to attend then you are making an unconstitutional arguement.

Maybe Rice and Powell would like to speak to a group of white high school kids, in person, and tell them they might have to accept being denied admission to college because of their skin color or ethnic background.

DO THEY HAVE THE GUTS FOR THIS???

50 posted on 01/19/2003 7:37:30 PM PST by siliconpatriot
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To: siliconpatriot
I don't like the idea of telling kids that they might be denied because they were raised by two parents either.
51 posted on 01/19/2003 8:24:43 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: olliemb
This is a rant.

In any conflcit of interest between this Country and any other of which an individual is also a citizen, there will be generated a similar conflcit of interest in the mind of anyone holding dual citizenship with that other Country.

Such should not occur. Your loyalties can only lay with one Country.


Dual citizenship is a bogus creation set up years ago and should be dispensed with - NOW.
52 posted on 01/20/2003 2:11:27 AM PST by ZULU
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To: mass55th
Yes, he supports some form of "Don't ask don't tell" and believes that gays serving openly in the military would hurt the effectivenes of the military. In other words, the military is not a social improvement facility, it is a group of warriors with a mission to protect and defend this country.
53 posted on 01/20/2003 7:34:41 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: siliconpatriot
Okay. I'll agree that race should not be a factor, as long as:

(1) We don't let in someone with lower academic scores over someone else because of their "athletic" background.
(2) We don't let in someone with lower academic scores over someone else because daddy was an alumnus.
(3) We don't let in someone with lower academic scores over someone else because they participated in a number of clubs and activities.

As far as I am concerned, all of those are equally as "bad" as wanting someone for their ethnic background.

I have already said that I am against quotas, and against choosing for or against people for skin color. But if a school is willing to accept applicants with lower test and grade scores on other factors, then it is hard to argue - well, those factors are okay but ethnicity is not.

54 posted on 01/20/2003 8:18:30 AM PST by dark_lord
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To: uncowed
You may be correct in your stance, but I suspect it isn't easy being where G.W. is.
55 posted on 01/20/2003 10:59:03 AM PST by wingnuts'nbolts
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