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Freep this Site--The Peaceniks are currently in control!
e the People web site | 1/19/03 | Antoninus

Posted on 01/19/2003 9:11:10 AM PST by Antoninus

This message is a general call for help from all interested Freepers who are still itching to Freep something in the aftermath of World Communism Day (aka the "peace" rallies) of yesterday.

This is a web site that claims to be non-partisan. My father and I have been fighting almost single-handedly to stem the tide of Anti-American BS, but we're really in the rats nest here. Therefore, I am officially calling for help.

Here's the URL: E-the People

It's run by the "Democracy Project" and its owners are Michael Weiksner and Scott Reents and receives grants from the Hewlett Foundation among others. Anyone who wants to post some background info they might have on the agenda of the Foundation is certainly welcome to do so.

This site boasts 8,500 members to date but only a miserable 200 posts per day. Plus, one may encourage or discourage posts, sending them up in the rankings or down. Thus, a few dozen Freepers could really make a difference here.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antibush; antiwar; bushbashers; clintonlovers; communists; freep; jan182003; peacemovement; peaceniks; socialists; terrorists; usefulidiots
Freeps away!
1 posted on 01/19/2003 9:11:11 AM PST by Antoninus
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2 posted on 01/19/2003 9:12:37 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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3 posted on 01/19/2003 9:15:38 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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4 posted on 01/19/2003 9:25:38 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Here's a little taste of some of the "logic" over there:

The Decision of Your Life!
posted 01/10, by Donald Grbac (viewed 328 times) | Scope : National
Popularity : 12 (13 encourage, 1 discourage)

You are about to make the most important decision of your lifetime. I am not kidding; this is it!

You, me, each of us is sitting in the same hot seat that President John F. Kennedy sat in during the Cuban missile crises. The world was on the brink of being incinerated in a nuclear holocaust, and none of us knew how close we came until descriptions came out recently by Robert McNamera (Kennedy's Secretary of Defense) and others. Being a young USAF Airman at the time, I didn't really have a feel for the close scrapes we experienced and the intense danger.

Although my appreciation of those events were elevated considerably when I read recent accounts from insiders, I got a better feel for the danger from the movie I saw last night, K19 The Widowmaker. This is a true story about heroic Soviet submariners who were willing to give their lives to ignore orders from Moscow and save the world from annihilation. This nuclear submarine accident happened during the most dangerous part of the confrontation between Moscow and Washington, and could easily have started the nuclear exchange that would end it all.

Today, our situation is different, which is why we, the people, are in the hot seat. After decades of negotiations that created a moratorium on nuclear weapons use, and actual decreases in the number of weapons, our "president" has declared these weapons to be back on the active use list. He even wants to make new nuclear weapons for the battle field. But the battle field today is the whole planet; there is nowhere anyone can be safe from this. The oceans can't protect us any longer.

After declaring Iraq, Iran, and North Korea as being an "axis of evil", do you have any doubts in your mind why North Korea has suddenly kicked out UN weapons inspectors and reactivated their nuclear weapons program? They are scared to death! This is no way for the USA to make world peace. This puts us back on the slippery nuclear slope, and it is more slippery this time after proliferation.

Those of us who are still sane need to stop this madness!

The European Union is working in the background to stop the threatened war with Iraq. As citizens of the United States, we also need to [do all we can] to change the direction the world is headed today.

Can we, can you, afford not to?
5 posted on 01/19/2003 9:47:44 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Meanwhile, this thread, written by my father, is getting savaged:

Listen to the president on Iraq
posted 01/07, by Tony Schiavo (viewed 154 times) | Scope : National
Popularity : 3 (7 encourage, 4 discourage)

You don't trust the President?

The major themes repeatedly voiced by the anti Iraq war side has been "What has Iraq to do with terrorism?" and "It's all about oil".

Well here's what the president has said about Iraq: it's a "rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed."

I should stop here and let you Bush haters out there jump in with stuff like this:

"Big deal, they're just the same old Bush lies to promote his war against Iraq for oil."

But being a compassionate Conservative, I'm going to save you all from the embarrassment of making such statements.

It wasn't President Bush who said that. The Washington Post says that scary statement came from president Clinton -- in 1998 when he was in charge of the country's future and in the intelligence loop. And as far as I know, he didn't have enough oil to pay his lawyer fees.

Why didn't Clinton act on it? As a 60's antiwar activist and draft dodger, he was paralyzed by the idea of starting a body bag war --and he didn't have 9/11/01 to cure this paralysis.

Bush haters will certainly yell, "Where was Homeland Security?" after the next attack -- yet they now oppose action where it should begin, in Iraq and wherever else people who hate us are plotting to harm us. Politics is becoming ever more dangerous to our health.
6 posted on 01/19/2003 9:50:47 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Greetings Antoninus, FReepers, et al:

Your Father knows best, and I "approve" of his argument. President Clinton had my support, before it became apparent "William the Impeached" proved a far fetched plot like "Wag the Dog," wasn't far fetched.
However, this website wouldn't let me into the "register for password" screen, because of my firewall security settings. IMHO, find a better forum for your Dad and his friends. Like FR. :)

7 posted on 01/19/2003 11:21:00 AM PST by OneLoyalAmerican ((1) Ramsey Clark is a: (A) Sleazy lawyer. (B) Seditious sock puppet. (C) Traitor. (D) All are true.)
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To: OneLoyalAmerican
However, this website wouldn't let me into the "register for password" screen, because of my firewall security settings. IMHO, find a better forum for your Dad and his friends. Like FR. :)

Yeah, I know, but one can only do so much preaching to the choir. If we don't get out there on the 'non-partisan' web sites as well, we'll never get our message out like we could. What I do is use FR as my base of operations/information source and then branch out from here. Thanks for trying, anyway.
8 posted on 01/19/2003 7:39:09 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Love what your father wrote! Brilliant quoting the statement from Clinton!
9 posted on 01/19/2003 7:42:56 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: Antoninus
Here's my latest post on there--generated with a little help from articles posted on Free Republic...

Who's really behind the "Peace" protests?
posted 01/19, by Antoninus (viewed 92 times) | Scope : National
Popularity : 6 (6 encourage, 0 discourage)

I looked around at the various articles covering the anti-war protests yesterday and generated the following list of groups, individuals, and causes who are in the forefront the "anti-war" movement. See for yourself:

Workers World Party [supporters of Castro, Kim in N. Korea and the Tiananmen Square massacre] were the main promoters of the protests through their front group A.N.S.W.E.R.

Here's a selection of endorsers of A.N.S.W.E.R. (from their web site):

Monica Moorehead - Workers World Party

Freedom Socialist Party

Manfred Eber - Chairperson, Communist Party of Austria, Tirol, Innsbruck, Austria

H. Charfo - Head of the Department of International Relations, Central Committee, Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia, Praha, Czech Republic

Patrik Köbele - Chairman, German Communist Party, Ruhr-Westfalen, Germany

Patricio Echegary - General Secretary, Partido Comunista de la Argentina, Buenos Aires, Argentina

Maher Kouraytem - The Lebanese Communist Party, Beirut, Lebanon

Oklahoma Socialist Cooperative, Oklahoma

Chris "The Anarchist" Ryan - community organizer and activist, Columbus, Ohio

Ross Stuart Marat - Bedfordshire Socialist Alliance*, Luton, England

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And here are some other supporters:

The Free [cop killer] Mumia Abu-Jamal movement

Ramsey Clark, who called for the impeachment of G. W. Bush, has been retained by the State of Iraq to serve as legal counsel for the regime.

"Leslie Feinberg spoke and accused Bush of concocting a war to cover up "the capitalist economic crisis,: she informed the crowd that she is "a Jewish revolutionary" dedicated to the "fight against Zionism." When I asked her what groups she worked with, she replied that she was a "lesbian-gay-bi-transgender movement activist." Yet a May issue of Workers World describes Feinberg as a "lesbian and transgendered communist and a managing editor of Workers World." [from an article by David Corn]

The "Not in Our Name" campaign, which produced ads signed by celebrity leftists, is directed, in part, by C. Clark Kissinger, a longtime Maoist activist and member of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Kissinger represents NION to the public and is an integral part of Refuse and Resist, an organization with close ties to the Revolutionary Communist Party USA, of which Kissinger is a member and writer for its newspaper. [paraphrased from an article on WorldNetDaily]

"Dena Takruri, 19, was among several young people wearing the traditional black and white Palestinian scarf called a hatta. The UC Berkeley student said she was not only protesting war in Iraq but denouncing the pro-Israeli policies of the United States." [SF Chronicle]

"BAGHDAD - President Saddam Hussein hailed worldwide anti-war demonstrations on Saturday and said the protests showed that Iraq had international support for standing up to the United States." [Reuters]

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Furthermore, even members of the sensible left are getting fed up with this hijacking of the issue by the coddlers of dictators. For example:

"The International Action Center and the Revolutionary Communist Party [USA] aren't just extremists in the service of a good cause," says Michelle Goldberg, a writer with Salon.com. "They are cheerleaders for some of the most sinister regimes and insurgencies on the planet. Once people realize this," Goldberg adds, "it could easily discredit any nascent anti-war movement, unless a more rational group comes to the forefront."

So I ask you... Which side are you on?
10 posted on 01/19/2003 7:44:15 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: ladyinred
Thanks [in absentia], m'Lady!
11 posted on 01/19/2003 7:47:42 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
I thought this was a humor site when I clicked the URL. Then I remembered that these leftist traitors really are this stupid.
12 posted on 01/19/2003 8:29:51 PM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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I thought this was a humor site when I clicked the URL. Then I remembered that these leftist traitors really are this stupid.

A lot of them are incredibly stupid. It makes it that much easier to roll them, though. Just a half dozen freepers could rule that site. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
13 posted on 01/19/2003 8:43:53 PM PST by Antoninus
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