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A LEGACY OF LYNCHING
by Mia T, 12-19-02
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The following movie in Flash format for Without Sanctuary features a series of photographs from James Allen's collection with a voice narrative about the work by Mr. Allen. If you have a regular speed 56K modem, be patient - the movie will start playing in about eight minutes. If you have a high-speed connection, the movie will load for playback in about 20-30 seconds.
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- 2. "It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important."
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Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr
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3. CIRCULAR REASONING, UNFORTUNATELY...PRESUMES THE RULE OF LAW... |
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4. Two years ago a riot occurred in Atlanta, Georgia, in which four white policemen were killed and several wounded by a colored man named Richardson, who was himself finally burned to death. Through the press the public was informed that the negro was a desperado. As a matter of fact, Richardson was a merchant, well to do and law-abiding. The head and front of his offending was that he dared to reprimand an ex-policeman for living in open adultery with a colored woman. When it was learned that this negro had been so impudent to a white man...
What, then, is the cause of lynching? At the last analysis, it will be discovered that there are just two causes of lynching. In the first place, it is due to race hatred, the hatred of a stronger people toward a weaker who were once held as slaves. In the second place, it is due to the lawlessness so prevalent in the section where nine-tenths of the lynchings occur.
Mary Church Terrell, "Lynching from a Negro's Point of View," North American Review, 178, (1904): 853-68 |
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RON BROWN (DAYS BEFORE HIS DEATH) TO BILL CLINTON
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evidence of consciousness of guilt at Ron Brown's funeral
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[A]t the time of his death Ron Brown was under investigation by an independent counsel, and was likely to be indicted. According to his business partner and confidant, Nolanda Hill, Brown had told President Clinton days before he was asked unexpectedly to travel to Croatia that he would negotiate a plea agreement with the independent counsel, which would entail telling what he knew about alleged illegalities in the Clinton-Gore Administration. Clinton, according to Brown, responded badly.
Judicial Watch, the only entity that has, in its case, taken the sworn testimony of John Huang, which sparked the campaign finance scandal, had also asked the Court to depose Ron Brown, the former Clinton Commerce Department Cabinet Secretary who orchestrated the sale of seats on trade missions in exchange for large campaign contributions to the Democratic Party and Clinton-Gore campaigns, among other illegal acts. The Court in the lawsuit which exposed the scandal has stated that had Ron Brown lived, he would have been deposed by Judicial Watch.
Ironically, Judicial Watch had inadvertently noticed Brown for deposition the week that he was to travel to and later die in Bosnia-Croatia, but the Reno/Clinton Justice Department, which represents the Commerce Department in Judicial Watch's case, asked for a delay... " In a twist of fate, had Brown been ordered to be deposed that week, he might still be alive..."
Following his death in Croatia, the Clinton-Gore Pentagon precipitously announced that the death was accidental, before a standard safety investigation was undertaken. Importantly, a safety investigation was never undertaken.
In addition, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology was asked to examine the body. What the pathologists and photographers found was a hole in Secretary Brown's head, the size and shape of a .45 caliber bullet.
Interviews on BET television with the chief military pathologist suggest that he wanted to conduct an autopsy to see if the hole was the result of a gunshot wound, but he was called off by The White House, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Clinton-Gore Commerce and Transportation Departments. |
6. Judicial Watch petitions to continue Ron Brown investigation by Independent Counsel
Move has tacit backing of Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP, and 75% of African-Americans
Brown was key witness in Judicial Watch lawsuit which uncovered John Huang and likely defendant in Independent Counsel probe at time of his death in Croatia
PRESS CONFERENCE SCHEDULED FOR 2:00 P.M. ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 12, ON D.C. FEDERAL COURTHOUSE STEPS
Today, Thursday, February 12, 1998, Judicial Watch will file a petition with the three judge panel to continue the independent counsel investigation of Ron Brown, which had been underway at the time his death on April 3, 1996, in Croatia.
At the time of his death, Ron Brown was a material witness, who had been noticed to testify, in Judicial Watch's lawsuit against the Clinton-Gore Commerce Department. It was this case which uncovered John Huang and is credited for sparking the campaign finance scandal.
In addition, at the time of his death Ron Brown was under investigation by an independent counsel, and was likely to be indicted. According to his business partner and confidant, Nolanda Hill, Brown had told President Clinton days before he was asked unexpectedly to travel to Croatia that he would negotiate a plea agreement with the independent counsel, which would entail telling what he knew about alleged illegalities in the Clinton-Gore Administration. Clinton, according to Brown, responded badly.
Following his death in Croatia, the Clinton-Gore Pentagon precipitously announced that the death was accidental, before a standard safety investigation was undertaken. Importantly, a safety investigation was never undertaken. In addition, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology was asked to examine the body. What the pathologists and photographers found was a hole in Secretary Brown's head, the size and shape of a .45 caliber bullet. Interviews on BET television with the chief military pathologist suggest that he wanted to conduct an autopsy to see if the hole was the result of a gunshot wound, but he was called off by The White House, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Clinton-Gore Commerce and Transportation Departments. However, a military photographer, sensing that something was "not right," photographed X-rays of Ron Brown's skull which hung on light boxes. These photographs show what may be metal fragments in his brain, consistent with a gunshot wound. Except for these photographs, other X-rays taken in the lab are now mysteriously missing. Pathologists in the lab wanted to conduct an autopsy, but were prevented from doing so. Dr. Cyril Wecht, a renowned physician and pathologist, and a Democrat, has said that the failure to conduct an autopsy was a gross deviation from accepted medical practice. It is also violative of the policy of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.
Strangely, neither the Brown family nor any of the families of the victims of the plane crash were ever notified of the circumstances of Secretary Brown's death, until after officers in the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology Institute recently blew the whistle on the cover-up, despite groundless and coercive threats from military brass that they would be prosecuted for doing so.
In its petition, Judicial Watch, which represents the military photographer and a pathologist of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology submits sworn affidavits from U.S. military officers attesting to the cover-up.
Judicial Watch has learned that the independent counsel who had been investigating Secretary Brown at the time of his death never closed the inquiry. Accordingly, Judicial Watch will petition the three judge panel which oversees the independent counsel to direct his focus to the death of Ron Brown, and a government employee, Barbara Wise, who was found dead in the Clinton-Gore Commerce Department shortly after John Huang was deposed in Judicial Watch's lawsuit. Wise reportedly worked in the same section as Huang. Judicial Watch is taking this action because Janet Reno has refused to investigate.
While Judicial Watch makes no accusations that Brown was murdered, his death raises questions about why an autopsy was not performed, particularly since he was a Cabinet Secretary and a material witness and putative defendant in legal proceedings at the time. The independent counsel clearly has jurisdiction to investigate Brown's death, since if his fate was not accidental, it could amount to criminal obstruction of justice and witness tampering. Clearly, Brown had deep knowledge of the inner workings of the Clinton-Gore Administration and its allegedly illegal campaign finance and other activities at the Commerce Department, White House, Democratic National Committee and elsewhere. He was also the target of the independent counsel's probe.
AFTER THE FILING OF THE PETITION, A PRESS CONFERENCE WILL BE HELD ON THE STEPS OF THE U.S. COURTHOUSE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., AT 2:00 P.M. TOMORROW, FEBRUARY 12, 1998.
© Copyright 1997-2002, Judicial Watch, Inc.
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7. JUDICIAL WATCH STILL REGRETS DEATH OF RON BROWN
CLINTON COMMERCE SECRETARY WAS SLATED FOR DEPOSITION WEEK THAT HE DIED PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW REVEALS EVIDENCE THAT WOUND FOUND ON BROWN'S HEAD WAS UNEXPLAINED
Friend Nolanda Hill Believes Death Needs to Be Investigated
Judicial Watch, the only entity that has, in its case, taken the sworn testimony of John Huang, which sparked the campaign finance scandal, had also asked the Court to depose Ron Brown, the former Clinton Commerce Department Cabinet Secretary who orchestrated the sale of seats on trade missions in exchange for large campaign contributions to the Democratic Party and Clinton-Gore campaigns, among other illegal acts. The Court in the lawsuit which exposed the scandal has stated that had Ron Brown lived, he would have been deposed by Judicial Watch.
Ironically, Judicial Watch had inadvertently noticed Brown for deposition the week that he was to travel to and later die in Bosnia-Croatia, but the Reno/Clinton Justice Department, which represents the Commerce Department in Judicial Watch's case, asked for a delay, which was granted as a courtesy to a cabinet secretary. Judicial Watch did not object to the postponement. " In a twist of fate, had Brown been ordered to be deposed that week, he might still be alive," stated Larry Klayman, Chairman of Judicial Watch.
Nolanda Hill, the former business partner and close friend of Brown, has told major news networks that she believes that "Ron's" death needs to be investigated, based on two facts. First,
Page 1 of 2 Pagesshe related that two weeks before Brown died, he had a meeting with Clinton in the White House, where he told the President of his intentions to cut a plea agreement with the independent counsel that had been investigating him and his son, Michael Brown, for bribery and other offenses. The plea would have meant cooperating to tell everything Brown knew about the scandals. Clinton, accordingly to Hill's account of what Brown told her, reacted with a terse, "that's nice," sitting in an armchair, bare feet up on a stool and arms folded. Second, after Brown's plane went down, she was called by Togo West, the Secretary of the Army, Brown's friend, and told "the military was looking for the bodies in the water (i.e., Adriatic Sea)." The official explanation has been that the plane hit a mountain. Hill believes that the death should be investigated, given these occurrences.
Yesterday, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review revealed that a Lieutenant Colonel and forensic pathologist in the U.S. Air Force has evidence that the wound found on Ron Brown's head is the shape of a .45 caliber bullet. The body of Ron Brown, contrary to normal Air Force procedures, was never autopsied.
When Ron Brown died he was subject to an independent counsel investigation, which was then closed. The case was transferred to the Reno/Clinton Justice Department. After reports on PBS's "Frontline" and the New Yorker magazine that Ron and Michael Brown were part of a bribery scheme of the former cabinet secretary, Reno then struck a plea agreement with Michael Brown, allowing him to plead only to a misdemeanor, with 3 years probation. The only cooperation that Reno asked for, and received from Michael Brown, according to the Associated Press, was an agreement to testify against Nolanda Hill, who had also been implicated in alleged illegality with Ron Brown. Judicial Watch challenged this plea, and has appealed the lower court's acquiescence to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals.
"As a result of what would appear to be a sham plea agreement with Michael Brown -- where he was not charged with serving as a conduit of bribes to his father, but let off the hook only with a promise to help effectively silence Nolanda Hill (who has expressed her willingness to reveal everything she knows about the Clinton scandals), and this new evidence from a U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel and forensic pathologist, it is clear that the independent counsel investigation of Ron and Michael Brown should be reopened to investigate the circumstances around Ron Brown's death. Had he lived, Ron Brown would have likely provided key evidence about one of the two biggest Clinton Administration scandals (Filegate is the other), the campaign finance scandal," stated Larry Klayman, Chairman of Judicial Watch. "Reno and the Clinton Justice Department are obviously not interested in revealing this evidence, but instead with suppressing it," concluded Klayman. This same conclusion has been reached by many others, including The New York Times editorial page, The Wall Street Journal editorial page, Investor's Busniness Daily, Bob Woodward of The Washington Post, and William Safire, among a growing number of experts who now see an apparent cover-up at the Reno/Clinton Justice Department.
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8. Mr. Grafeld told me, referring to Judicial Watch's allegations that Commerce Department trade mission seats were sold in exchange for campaign contributions, that "(Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel) Klayman is right on target" but that he believes that the trade mission issues were "only the tip of the iceberg -- that the really big money went towards Presidential access."
Mr. Grafeld indicated to me that he believes that Ms. Moss was asking for political contributions in exchange for seats on Commerce Department trade missions, likely at the direction of Hillary Rodham Clinton, but that documents showing this illegal activity had "left the building." In fact, there were effectively no security procedures at the Commerce Department to ensure that sensitive and secret documents and/or any documents which might evidence criminal activity stayed in the building. The purported letters referenced by Mr. Grafeld and Nolanda Hill could easily have "left the building" absent sufficient procedures to secure them.
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9."Hill's charges lead to one conclusion -- reappoint the independent counsel"
WASHINGTON - The business partner of late Commerce Secretary Ron Brown testified Monday to a scheme by First Lady Hillary Clinton and top-level White House operatives to cover up evidence linking Commerce Department trade missions to political contributions. Today, the Chairman of the Republican National Committee charged that Nolanda Hill's sworn accusations "mandate that the independent counsel's investigation of the Commerce Department's trade missions be reactivated."
"Independent counsel Daniel Pearson's investigation into allegations that the Commerce Department sold seats on trade missions for contributions to the Clinton-Gore campaign was dropped after Ron Brown's death in April of 1996," noted RNC Chairman Jim Nicholson.
"In light of Nolanda Hill's testimony, it seems the allegations of wrong-doing go much higher than the late Ron Brown. Pearson must be re-appointed, and the independent investigation allowed to continue."
Mrs. Hill, who testified she was Brown's business partner and "close personal confidant for over seven years," testified that he showed her "an inch-thick set" of Commerce Department documents linking trade missions and political contributions. He was under orders from former White House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta and current Deputy Chief of Staff John Podesta, he told her, to withhold the documents until after the 1996 Presidential elections. Brown died weeks afterwards, she testified.
Hill testified that Hillary Clinton and senior White House officials had ordered Brown to ask business executives to give a minimum of $50,000 to the Democrat National Committee and the 1996 Clinton-Gore campaign to gain seats on the trade missions. "I'm doing my chores for Hillary Clinton," Brown told her.
"Nolanda Hill's allegations of a cover-up orchestrated at the highest levels of the White House are serious and troubling," Nicholson said, "as is the fact that she was indicted by the Justice Department only two months after she first made these allegations under oath." Hill made the allegations in an affidavit January 17, and expressed fears that she would face retaliation from the Clinton Justice Department for doing so, Nicholson noted. She was indicted on March 13.
http://www.rnc.org/
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10. Wall Street Project, clinton, Jesse Jackson and the Death of Ron Brown
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At least in the case of Ron Brown, why aren't Americans aggressively pushing Congress and the Justice Department to get at the truth? James Dale Davidson has a theory:
"We're in the point of a hillbilly song, and the line was, 'We really don't want to know.' I really don't want to know. People sometimes shy away from unhappy truths."
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Dying to Tell: The Mysterious Deaths of Clinton Colleagues
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- Jesse Jackson calls for probe of Ron Brown's death
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- By PAUL SHEPARD, Associated Press Writer
Copyright © 1998 Nando.net
Copyright © 1998 The Associated Press
 ASHINGTON (January 6, 1998 01:18 a.m. EST -- Jesse Jackson said Monday the death of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown should be investigated "to relieve people of reasonable doubt."
"There is everything to be gained from pursuing an investigation," Jackson said in an interview with New York City talk radio host Gary Byrd. "It may only prove that he was not murdered. But that would relieve people of reasonable doubt."
Air Force Lt. Col. Steve Cogswell, a deputy medical examiner at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, said in November that an unusual wound at the top of Brown's head could have been a bullet hole, and an autopsy should have been done to find out.
Cogswell did not participate in the examination of Brown's body after it was returned from Croatia. No autopsy was conducted.
Government investigators concluded that Brown died of multiple injuries sustained in the crash of the Air Force plane in which he was a passenger. The plane slammed into a mountain in Croatia in April 1996, killing all 35 aboard.
Col. William T. Gormley, the assistant armed forces medical examiner who conducted the external examination of Brown's corpse, was quoted in an Air Force statement as saying he had ruled out the possibility of a gunshot wound.
"Due to the initial appearance of Brown's injuries we carefully considered the possibility of a gunshot wound," Gormley said. "However, scientific data, including X-rays, ruled out that possibility."
But the government statements have done little to quell the controversy, especially among some influential blacks like NAACP President Kweisi Mfume and Rep. Maxine Waters, head of the Congressional Black Caucus. Both have called for further investigation of Brown's death.
Two weeks ago, civil rights activist Dick Gregory was arrested during a protest outside the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington to demand an independent investigation into Brown's death.
"I think people have a right to know what really happened," Jackson said.
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Editorial Reviews
Book Description
Jesse Jackson is a modern day highway robber who uses cries of racism to steal from individuals, corporations, and government, to give to himself, says veteran investigative reporter Kenneth R. Timmerman.
Until now, however, no one has been brave enough to say it and diligent enough to prove it. But Ken Timmerman has cracked Jackson's machine, found Jackson cronies willing to break ranks, and uncovered a sordid tale of greed, ambition, and corruption from a self-proclaimed minister who has no qualms about poisoning American race relations for personal gain.
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* Jackson's massive defrauding of the federal government - and how both Republican and Democratic administrations have chosen to ignore it.
* Jackson's financial ties to Third World dictators - including Mohammar Qaddafi of Libya.
* Jackson's shocking private life - and his even more shocking public lies, including about his relationship with Dr. Martin Luther King
Other details must remain embargoed until publication, but one thing is for certain, Shakedown finally bursts the carefully constructed myths around Jesse Jackson and subject him to the critical scrutiny he's long deserved.
Kenneth R. Timmerman, a reporter with more than two decades of experience, has written for many magazines and newspapers including Time, Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, Reader's Digest, and The American Spectator, and has appeared on Nightline, Sixty Minutes, and many other television programs. He lives in Kensington, Maryland, with his wife and five children.
About the Author
Kenneth R. Timmerman, a reporter with more than two decades of experience, has written for many magazines and newspapers including Time, Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, Reader's Digest, and The American Spectator, and has appeared on Nightline, Sixty Minutes, and many other television programs. He lives in Kensington, Maryland, with his wife and five children.
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Parallax View, Posthumous Treason
by Mia T
 n 15 January 1998, standard issue clinton hush money passed flagrante delicto right under the Fourth Estate's patrician nose, the congenital skew of which apparently restricting its line of sight to the obvious payoff. (Conservative estimate puts the permanent elitist nasal tilt at 60º with the horizon compounded by a severe, left-deviated septum.)
You may recall that immediately after various world-class forensic experts (some of them devout Democrats who twice voted for clinton) identified a probable bullet wound atop Ron Brown's head, Reverend Jesse Jackson and his Black Caucus cohorts were literally screaming for an independent investigation of the Brown death, demanding an immediate exhumation and autopsy.
Two points to ponder:
•Under federal law Brown's cabinet position mandated an autopsy
•Brown died in a plane crash far more -- shall we say ambiguous -- than the crash that took the life of JFK, Jr. whose autopsy was both a given and instantaneous.
Back to that week in January...
It was a rather busy week for clinton, what with his own sexual-predation/perjury/obstruction-of-justice deposition on Saturday, Ken Starr combing through his congenitally corrupt wife's crimebook on Wednesday, Alexis Herman being added to that burgeoning list of corrupt cabinet clintonoids as of Thursday and Saddam jerking him around every day.
Yet Clinton somehow found the time to journey to Wall Street to aid and abet Jesse Jackson in his continued racial extortion of corporate America. The immediate payoff for Jackson -- $500,000, with potential millions to follow. 0($2,250,000 in 1998 alone, according to Bill O'Reilly)
It is noteworthy that after 15 January 1998, Jesse Jackson and the Black Caucus never again mentioned the need for an autopsy or an independent investigation of Ron Brown's death.
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"It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important."
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr |
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CIRCULAR REASONING, UNFORTUNATELY...PRESUMES THE RULE OF LAW... |
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Two years ago a riot occurred in Atlanta, Georgia, in which four white policemen were killed and several wounded by a colored man named Richardson, who was himself finally burned to death. Through the press the public was informed that the negro was a desperado. As a matter of fact, Richardson was a merchant, well to do and law-abiding. The head and front of his offending was that he dared to reprimand an ex-policeman for living in open adultery with a colored woman. When it was learned that this negro had been so impudent to a white man...
What, then, is the cause of lynching? At the last analysis, it will be discovered that there are just two causes of lynching. In the first place, it is due to race hatred, the hatred of a stronger people toward a weaker who were once held as slaves. In the second place, it is due to the lawlessness so prevalent in the section where nine-tenths of the lynchings occur.
Mary Church Terrell, "Lynching from a Negro's Point of View," North American Review, 178, (1904): 853-68 |
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RON BROWN (DAYS BEFORE HIS DEATH) TO BILL CLINTON
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A LEGACY OF LYNCHING
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All I can say is wow. How the hell do these people continue to get away with all this?
Excellent work, Mia.
Wow - We shall never forget - and the clinton's are not only going to get away with all of this - they are going to prosper.
Don't put you stuff in yellow. I can't read it. Blck and white will do fine. Ast to the subject, there is no reason Hillary should have gone to the Brown funeral. The Clintons barely knew Brown. He was a hanger-on trying to use them, and they were trying to use brown.
O'Reilly Factor Transcript: What Has Hillary Clinton Done for the 9/11 Families? | 11/28/01
BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In the second Personal Story segment tonight, Tip O'Neill once said, "All politics are local." And since 9/11, there have been thousands of funerals and memorial services held in the state of New York for the victims of the terror attack. Mayor Giuliani and Governor Pataki have attended scores of them.
But we noticed that Senator Hillary Clinton was not around very much. So we sent both Senator Clinton and Senator Chuck Schumer letters asking them which services they attended and which families they visited.
Predictably, Senator Clinton's office ignored the letter and our repeated phone calls, most likely because the only events we know she attended were three highly publicized memorial services.
Senator Schumer's office said he attended about 10 funerals and they would provide a list for us.
With us now is Anthony Gardner, who lost his brother, Harvey, at the World Trade Center and who has started a Web site for the families who have lost loved ones. And writer Beth Harpaz covered Mrs. Clinton for the Associated Press and authored the book The Girls in the Van.
All right, Mr. Gardner, I want to start with you, because I know you're very active in a number of the things regarding the families of the victims. Did you contact Hillary Clinton?
ANTHONY GARDNER, LOST BROTHER AT WORLD TRADE CENTER: I did. On several occasions I left voicemail on her general mailbox, just with the far-fetched hope that she would hear the message. I invited her to come and be on our board of advisers to help us with the nonprofit support group that we created, WTC United Family Group, in the hope to unite all the families, to bring them together, to provide emotional support.
I've never had any feedback back from her office, not even from an assistant of an assistant or anyone.
O'REILLY: All right, so you've left it how many voicemails?
GARDNER: Only about two, just because...
O'REILLY: All right, two voicemails in her New York office, right?
GARDNER: In her New York office.
O'REILLY: OK, and you didn't hear back.
GARDNER: Never heard back.
O'REILLY: That's not unusual. And I want to be fair. And you know how these politicians are...
GARDNER: Oh, I understand that.
O'REILLY: ... and, you know, we don't hear back from them, and we...
GARDNER: I knew it was a far-fetched thing...
O'REILLY: ... (UNINTELLIGIBLE) every day.
GARDNER: ... I just thought that she might be eager to help us.
O'REILLY: Mrs. Clinton attended three memorials, as far as we know, and all three were major media events. You attended one of them, wasn't it?
GARDNER: Yes, I was at the one at the actual site, and I was standing right up by the front of the stage. And when she proceeded to take her seat, she was booed by many people. And I was kind of surprised by that. I thought, What did she do that outraged so many families that at this solemn occasion, solemn time, that they would make the effort to boo her?
O'REILLY: This was at ground zero.
GARDNER: This was at the ground zero site. I don't really remember time-wise right now.
O'REILLY: No, it was in early October...
GARDNER: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...
O'REILLY: ... and then subsequently she went to the concert in Madison Square Garden and got booed there.
I'm not so sure that we're being fair to her right now, Beth. But we must tell the audience that she is impossible to deal with as far as the press is concerned, won't answer questions, staff is as arrogant as I've ever seen any staff in 25 years of reporting, send them a letter, send them a nah (ph). As Mr. Gardner said, totally say hey (ph). And I'm not using the two words, but that's basically what they say. Am I wrong here?
BETH HARPAZ, AUTHOR, COVERING HILLARY: She can be difficult to get access to, there's no question about it. I mean, for one thing, she -- her staff and she are overwhelmed with media requests. I mean, she is, you know, the most famous woman in the country.
O'REILLY: But isn't this pretty important? When you send a letter saying, "Mrs. Clinton, would you tell us what families you visited and what funerals and memorial services you attended?" that's a pretty easy question to answer, is it not?
HARPAZ: Yes, I mean, I'm not here to defend Hillary Clinton, but I will say that her -- you know, her core supporters and the main victim groups of 9/11 are pretty -- pretty much two distinct groups. You know, we have a lot of male-dominated professions here, firefighters, cops, Wall Street, a lot of suburbanites, a lot of political conservatives in, you know, the Wall Street culture...
O'REILLY: So what? What difference does that make?
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HARPAZ: Well, if she's going to go someplace and get booed, why would you choose to go to a funeral and perhaps cause people to have...
O'REILLY: Surely out of...
HARPAZ: ... more bad feelings than they already have?
O'REILLY: All right. I understand. But surely out of the thousands of people who were put in the ground in New York State, there wasn't one family that her staff could come up with that she could lend some support? She couldn't go to visit one family? Not a single? This is the worst political mistake I have ever seen in 25 years of covering politics.
Senator Hillary Clinton, just elected in New York State, ignored every single funeral and every single memorial service that was held unless it was a median (ph) event. Am I wrong?
HARPAZ: As far as I know, she didn't publicly attend any of these funerals, but you say we...
O'REILLY: She didn't go.
HARPAZ: ... haven't had any evidence of it. On the other hand...
O'REILLY: No. If you were the new senator, wouldn't you...
HARPAZ: ... she...
O'REILLY: ... have gone?
HARPAZ: Well, on the other hand, she's been busy in Washington doing what senators do...
O'REILLY: She's been busy in Washington.
HARPAZ: ... she's been introducing a lot of legislation that's related to 9/11.
O'REILLY: Yes, we're all busy.
HARPAZ: She (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...
O'REILLY: You know, I mean, I think Mayor Giuliani's pretty busy.
HARPAZ: Well, she's met with small-business people downtown...
O'REILLY: Well, you know (UNINTELLIGIBLE)...
HARPAZ: ... she's been appropriating money...
O'REILLY: ... you say you're not an apologist for her, you know how you sound? It's ridiculous. She's met with small-business people? What do you think, Mr. Gardner? You lost your brother.
GARDNER: I really have no thoughts on Hillary Clinton, aside from the fact that, you know, no one has ever made an effort to contact us or...
O'REILLY: But you're a New Yorker, right?
The C-130 carrying Ron Brown crashed. Hillary rode in that very same airplane one week prior in her tour of the Balkans.
Sounds llike yellow-induced Brownian movement. Brown worked intimately, if subserviently, with hillary. (Brown "did her chores." )
