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Cop took just 3 seconds to shoot dog
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, January 9, 2003

Posted on 01/08/2003 11:35:54 PM PST by JohnHuang2

The Tennessee policeman who shot and killed a family's dog during a terrorizing traffic stop took just three seconds to slay the animal after it jumped out its owners' car, reports the Cookeville Herald-Citizen.

Law-enforcement authorities released a videotape of the incident yesterday, which shows the three-second time frame on the tape's counter.

The Cookeville police officer who shot the dog, Eric Hall, has since been reassigned to administrative duties while the incident is probed.

As WorldNetDaily reported, the Smoak family was returning to their home in North Carolina on New Year's Day when three police cars swarmed their vehicle on Interstate 40 in what appeared to be a traffic stop.


The Smoaks appear on CNN

A Tennessee Highway Patrol officer broadcast orders over a bullhorn for driver James Smoak to toss the keys out of the car window, get out with his hands up and walk backwards to the rear of the car. Smoak obeyed and was subsequently ordered onto his knees and handcuffed at gunpoint. Officers similarly handcuffed his wife, Pamela, and their 17-year-old son with their guns drawn.

As the troopers were putting the family members inside the patrol car, one of the Smoak family dogs, a boxer-bulldog mix named Patton, came out of the car and headed toward one of the Cookeville officers who were assisting the THP troopers.

"That officer had a flashlight on his shotgun, and the dog was going toward that light, and the officer shot him, just blew his head off," Pamela Smoak told the Herald-Citizen. "We had begged them to shut the car doors so our dogs wouldn't get out, [but] they didn't do that."

The Smoaks had been pulled over by mistake after someone reported seeing the car getting on the highway with cash flying out from behind the vehicle. James Smoak, it turns out, had mistakenly left his wallet on the roof of the car when he stopped to get gas. Someone within the THP reportedly thought a robbery had occurred, though it turns out none had.

Hall claimed he was acting in self-defense.

"I yelled at the dog to get back, but it attempted to circle me to attack, so I felt that I had no option but to protect myself," the officer wrote in a police report.

Police Chief Bob Terry told the Herald-Citizen, "We are aware there is a lot of criticism out there over this incident, and we want to take [Hall] off the road and let him perform other duties while we get this all resolved." Terry stressed that Hall was not being punished for killing the dog.

The Herald-Citizen reports that "to an average viewer, the scene recorded on the video may not demonstrate the aggressiveness or the threat the officer said he experienced as the dog came toward him."

Terry said he will have two unrelated police agencies perform independent reviews of the incident.

"We once again extend our deepest concerns to the Smoak family for their loss," Terry said. "We know this was a terrible experience for them, and we truly wish that we could undo the events that occurred on the night of Jan. 1."

The Smoaks recently told their story on CNN's "Connie Chung Tonight."

Speaking of Patton, son Brandon Smoak told Chung, "He's the gentlest dog that I've ever been around. He's like Scooby Doo. He wasn't mean at all."


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To: takenoprisoner
Greaat Point any former paperboy will understand. Considering the people that came out of the car were obviously a family, once could conclude that the dog not in a travel carrier was most likely a harmless family pet. I still can't understand why a swift kick or stroke of the shotgun butt couldn't have been the first line of defense against such a meager threat. If it was a drunk human staggering towards him what would have happened?
401 posted on 01/09/2003 10:49:16 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: optimistically_conservative
Well you were more avenging than me with your BB. Nonetheless, and for the most part, the paperboys in my neck of the woods were kids without shotguns and on their own against the cannines along the given paper route. If only I had the power of this Cookesville dog killer then. Hey, "I felt threatened. "
402 posted on 01/09/2003 10:56:49 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: rolling_stone
If it was a drunk human staggering towards him what would have happened?

In my view, he would have done as he did in this instance, he would have shot the poor stupid drunk...which is why this moron needs to be fired and disgraced from the profession of LEO.

403 posted on 01/09/2003 11:01:56 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner
If the cop had ever been a paperboy, back when there were "paper boys," then the moron would have known the difference between a real threat and a perceived threat... When to kill and when not to kill.

Sorry, I don't know of any paperboys who are required to make "felony stops" and expose themselves to such dangerous situations. My daughter was bitten in the face by a "friendly" pitbull and required plastic surgery to correct the damage done by the "friendly" dog who was wagging its tail as it approached her. The dog that bit my daughter was not operating in a strange situation where his family was being treated in a manner he did not understand. I have had many dogs in my life... and everyone of them would have attacked ANYONE who was mistreating one of our family members. That same daughter that was bitten was later SAVED from being attacked by one of our dogs who jumped on the badguy and bit him bloody. That same dog probably would not be able to distinguish a rapist from a police officer handcuffing one of her own and would attack either with the same agressiveness and enthusiasm.

A boss I once had was bitten by a pitbull who was on a chain that was too long for safety. As my boss knocked on the front door of a house a the dog on a 50 foot chain, tethered 30 feet away, attacked him. His left arm was bitten to the bone and the dog's jaws had to be PRIED off of his arm before the dog would let go, even with the dog's owner screaming at him to stop. Officer Hall did not need wait for such a bite before defending himself.

There are some on this thread who advocated a "warning shot" to scare the dog... or shooting to wound the dog. "Warning shots" are NOT PERMITTED under police procedure. Shooting in the air is forbidden because what goes UP must come DOWN and could hit a truly innocent somewhere in range. Shooting toward the ground can result in bouncing bullets and also may hit bystanders. Police are not trained to shoot to wound; too many police officers are killed by a wounded perpetrator. But that is not really germaine to this incident.

Officer Hall was carrying his short barrelled 12 gauge shotgun which had a flashlight mounted on it. The dog was either jumping toward Hall aggressively or Playfully toward the light (if you accept the Smoaks' story that they and General Patton played keep-away with a flashlight)... either way, Hall had no time to aim the shotgun except in the general direction of the dog. If the dog thought it was playing with a flashlight, then General Patton inadvertently aimed his head at the end of the shotgun when it went was fired and he took the shotload in the head. If Hall was defending himself as he stepped back, he shot at a moving target in mid-leap and the head shot was probably more luck than intentional. I do not believe that any shot at that range connecting with the dog would have been survivable (at best the dog would have been maimed and been put down after considerable agony and suffering).

404 posted on 01/09/2003 11:04:48 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: viligantcitizen
Vilig, I had not seen the others or I would not have posted... I have had my share of "senior moments"...
405 posted on 01/09/2003 11:06:35 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: All
....which is why this moron needs to be fired and disgraced from the profession of LEO.

Upon second thought, maybe we need another solution. Since once disgraced in the manner this homicidal maniac with a badge deserves, he could become a serial killer blaming us all for his disabilities.

406 posted on 01/09/2003 11:12:11 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: Swordmaker
That's why I inferred only former paperboys need respond. We paperboys all dealt with "threatening" dogs along our routes.

We didn't blow their heads off....Get it?

407 posted on 01/09/2003 11:17:09 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: DAnconia55
Sorry. Guess I'm mellowing out in my dotage... :^)
408 posted on 01/09/2003 11:22:30 PM PST by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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To: All
"We didn't blow their heads off...."

You see, with no weapon(shotgun) in hand, we had to turn and run in most instances to collect or deliver at a later date.
409 posted on 01/09/2003 11:41:47 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Apparrently not speeding found one hour later 60 miles from the report of cash flying/(60mph)

''I was not speeding, but he was with me everywhere I went. If I went into the left lane, he went into the left lane,'' Smoak said.

http://newsfrombabylon.com/article.php?sid=2696
410 posted on 01/09/2003 11:47:01 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Swordmaker
I'm sorry but based on my experience, this was an avoidable incident, that was screwed up from the radio call to the tragic ending. Deadly force is only justifiable as a last resort, unless of course you are with the Cokeville PD


http://www.cookeville.com/news/1015603550/index_html

How is this for an explanation, even though it is from Florida its conclusion seems appropriate.

"Diamond emphasized that it is illegal to use lethal force against a domesticated animal if the threat can be avoided in any other way _ such as entering one's home and closing the door, he said."

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2902

Actually got to give this guy credit for one shot one kill because the Cokeville Dept. has had problems with errant animals in the past

"Last year's "Loose bull shot by police," also by Mary Jo Denton, described a thrilling police action in which four Cookeville police officers and six shotgun blasts were required to corner and kill an elusive bovine."
411 posted on 01/09/2003 11:49:02 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone
The statement of an hour is a very rough estimate from an article paraphrasing the driver, who has a vested interest in framing the story and the benefit of hindsight. I'd prefer to know at what time the call was logged by 911, and then compare it to the time the family was stopped.
412 posted on 01/10/2003 12:09:53 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Do you think his parents following them hauling their grandkids were going 110 mph also?

"He drove off with his wife, Pamela Smoak, beside him and their 17-year-old son, Brandon, in the back seat. Smoak's parents followed in another car that carried the other Smoak children, 13-year-old Jeb and 9-year-old Danner."


http://cgi.citizen-times.com/cgi-bin/story/26229
413 posted on 01/10/2003 12:18:00 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone
You are completely ignoring my original post that her statement of 110mph was an exaggeration. Most people when they say a car is going 100mph(or 110, in this case) don't actually mean that literally, but rather are trying to accent the point that they mean very fast, beyond the normal. But yes, I believe it likely the grandparents were also speeding, given the witness' statement.

That's a rather cheap debate trick which doesn't enhance your credibility.
414 posted on 01/10/2003 12:32:01 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Actually the family did do something wrong. Apparently the car was flying down the road at a high rate of speed,

So speeding is now reason for a guns drawn felony stop?

And excuses the lack of control of deadly force?

Not that the vile cop-hating scum that spew all over these threads

If you're not with us, you're against us. And there's a LOT more of us, than there are of you.

415 posted on 01/10/2003 12:52:33 AM PST by DAnconia55
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To: optimistically_conservative
Like the Jews in Germany earlier this century and in Isreal since then today?

We haven't started rounding up cops yet. Hardly a real comparison.

416 posted on 01/10/2003 12:55:03 AM PST by DAnconia55
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To: Diddle E. Squat
How likely is it that a woman would lieand call the police to claim a car doing the speed limit was traveling 110mph, vs. how likely she was telling the truth about the car speeding?

I suggest you do a test and see if a wallet can remain on the car even at 50 MPH.

I bet not.

More than likely this was an nosy old bitty, who can't drive herself.

417 posted on 01/10/2003 12:56:54 AM PST by DAnconia55
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To: optimistically_conservative
Like the Jews in Germany

More like the Stasi in unified Germany. Do you seriously compare this thug, who is more akin to Nazis, to the Jewish victims of Nazis? That is one of the sickest malapropisms I have seen.

418 posted on 01/10/2003 4:22:27 AM PST by eno_
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To: takenoprisoner
mailperson or meter reader could kill the family pet under similar circumstance because he/she felt threatened? Is that ok with you too?

Yes.

419 posted on 01/10/2003 4:34:28 AM PST by patriciaruth
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To: TerribleThunderLizard
"...The original article left the impression that this was a pitbull. I would have shot a pitbull coming after me too. However, this was a just a little yappy dog that could not have inflicted any real damage on anyone..."

Just saw the tape on a morning news show...

It was a small, yippy little dog that neither looked dangerous, nor behaved aggressively.

That cowardly, room-temperature-IQ pig can count his lucky stars that it wasn't my dog.

I wouldn't let an outrage like this pass without reprisal.

420 posted on 01/10/2003 4:39:16 AM PST by DWSUWF
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