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Temple Mount wall said nearing collapse
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, December 17, 2002

Posted on 12/16/2002 11:37:40 PM PST by JohnHuang2

While the holiest site in Judaism, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, is collapsing, Israel is waiting for Jordanian engineers to repair it.

A group of Jordanian engineers is due to arrive in Jerusalem next week to repair a large bulge in the 37-acre Temple Mount's southern wall, the Jerusalem Post reports today. The Temple Mount is the foundation of the Jewish Temple that was destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Romans.

Because it is the only remnant of the foundation, it is considered the holiest site for observant Jews – perhaps the only true holy site. Muslims claim it is the third holiest in their faith because two mosques were constructed on the site hundreds of years later.

What was a minor bulge two years ago on the south wall has widened to more than 100 feet and protrudes more than 3 feet. Meanwhile, a new bulge developed on the west wall to the right of the Wailing Wall. Dark moisture stains suggest that water seeping from a garden above is creating pressure on the wall, according to the Israeli Antiquities Authority.

The team of four engineers is currently choosing the proper material to fill the voids and cracks in the wall and will start its work "within a week," said Dr. Raef Najim, vice president of the state-run Jordanian Construction Committee, according to the Post.

Despite the fact the Temple Mount is the only real estate in the world revered by Jews, Israel has turned over day-to-day administration of the area to the Waqf, an Islamic trust with close ties to Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority.

A year-long dispute between Israel and the Waqf over who will fix the bulge was solved in October with a decision to involve the Jordanian engineers, who inspected and took a sampling of the protruding wall, says the Post.

A report the engineers subsequently issued recommended replacing some of the eroding stones in the 2,000-year-old wall to prevent it from future collapse.

The majority of the work to be done by the engineers -- who have consulted with various European firms to determine the best new binding materials and chemical additives -- will not take more than 10 days. The decision to let the Jordanians do to the work, which was made at a meeting chaired by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, follows repeated warnings by top Israeli archeologists that sections of the southern wall are in danger of collapse.

The Jordanian report found there is no immediate danger of collapse. The report cites water dripping into the wall over years as a possible cause of the bulge, Najim said in October. He noted that the penetration of rainwater into the interior of the wall and the changes of temperature created certain voids in the wall, according to the Post.

Israeli archeologists believe the bulge is due to unauthorized Waqf construction at an underground area known as Solomon's Stables, located on the other side of the wall. Reports say Muslim authorities are constructing yet another mosque at the Jewish holy site.

Faulty drainage was cited by the Antiquities Authority as the probable cause for the bulge in its report, issued last year.

Prior to the establishment of the Palestinian Authority in 1994, Jordan was in charge of maintenance at the Temple Mount. In the years since, the PA, seeking to gain a foothold in Jerusalem, ousted both the Jordanian-appointed Waqf director and the Jerusalem mufti -- both of whom had for years quietly cooperated with Israel -- and replaced them with its own people.

The government has said it is in the country's best interest to involve the Jordanians in the work.

Fearing renewed Palestinian violence, police have barred non-Muslims from entering the Temple Mount since Sharon's controversial visit in September 2000, leaving the area without any archeological supervision. The 26 months since then is the longest period Judaism's holiest site has been closed to Jews and Christians since the unification of Jerusalem in 1967.

Newsweek has called the southern wall "The Armageddon wall," because the old rocks help support an enormous stone platform that holds the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, among Islam's most sacred shrines.

Should it collapse, some archeologists fear a doomsday effect – dead worshippers, perhaps in the thousands, riots throughout the Middle East and charges that Israel is responsible.




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Tuesday, December 17, 2002

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1 posted on 12/16/2002 11:37:41 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
I saw a show on A&E about the Temple Mount last year.

Question for someone out there: have the Muslims actually walled up one of the gates and planted corpses on the pathways on the Temple Mount? I recall it had something to do with preventing the Messiah from entering the area, or the fact that Jews will not trod upon gravesites--thus by placing graves there they were trying to keep them out.

2 posted on 12/17/2002 12:31:12 AM PST by SkyPilot
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I guess we have a good idea how that despicable mosque's going to be brought down.
3 posted on 12/17/2002 2:43:02 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: SkyPilot
Question for someone out there: have the Muslims actually walled up one of the gates and planted corpses on the pathways on the Temple Mount? I recall it had something to do with preventing the Messiah from entering the area, or the fact that Jews will not trod upon gravesites--thus by placing graves there they were trying to keep them out.

Yes, the Moslems ... centuries ago ... blocked up one or two of the old entrances (out of several still open) and started a cemetery on the Temple Mount. As the absolute rulers of Jerusalem from the end of the Crusades to the First World War, they could do this and not have to explain themselves. One of the explanations offered, but not the only one, is that the Moslems dabbled in Jewish folklore enough to suppose that they could prevent the Jewish Messiah from coming onto the Temple Mount to rebuild the Jewish Temple. To believe this explanation, you'd have to believe that the Moslems took Jewish folklore very seriously, which seems unlikely. I refer to this belief as Jewish folklore because it definitely is NOT unanimously (or even widely, nowadays) accepted and those who hope for a Messiah do not believe that he will be frustrated by Moslem desecrations.

4 posted on 12/17/2002 3:40:29 AM PST by DonQ
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sell the postcard and souvenier rights to a japanese TV network in exchange for fixing it.
5 posted on 12/17/2002 3:54:51 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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To: DonQ
Thanks for the reply in #4--interesting.
6 posted on 12/17/2002 4:44:30 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Lion's Cub
Zechariah 14:1-5
 1.  A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you.
 2.  I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
 3.  Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle.
 4.  On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.
 5.  You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake  in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
 
 
 
Revelation 16:16-19
 16.  Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
 17.  The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!"
 18.  Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake.
 19.  The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed
. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.

7 posted on 12/17/2002 4:54:22 AM PST by Elsie
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To: SkyPilot
...preventing the Messiah from entering the area, or the fact that Jews will not trod upon gravesites...

Well... the fellow Christians think is the Messiah did not let a little thing like a GRAVE stop HIM!!!

8 posted on 12/17/2002 4:56:46 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie
Go here!
9 posted on 12/17/2002 5:02:41 AM PST by Elsie
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To: SkyPilot
The Messiah Gate is bricked up solid, that I can verify from a visit in the 1980's. I do not, however, recall hearing when it was done or whether the pathway was somehow converted into a gravesite by the placement of corpses.

Somehow, I don't believe these obstacles will present a real problem for Jesus.

10 posted on 12/17/2002 5:37:19 AM PST by katana
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To: JohnHuang2
While the holiest site in Judaism, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, is collapsing, Israel is waiting for Jordanian engineers to repair it.

The Temple Mount may be the most holiest Jewish site but what is bulging is the wall of the mosque that is desecrating the site. I have thoughts of an angel poking the wall with his finger until it falls down. They may try to repair it but it will come down one day and soon.

11 posted on 12/17/2002 5:55:14 AM PST by Smittie
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To: Smittie; Thinkin' Gal; All
The Temple Mount must remain in Jewish hands; when these mosques fall, the Indignation is over. Daniel ll says that the Muslims would cease to prosper once the Indignation=wrath="z'am"="hester panim," the turning away of God from His normal historical support for the Jewish people, which has lasted now some 2000 years...was OVER.

This is echoed in a number of other passages in Daniel and elsewhere.

Isaiah 30 refers both to this bulge in a "wall on high"=har homa" and also to the falling of the Two Towers, surely a text for our time. "Har Homa" is actually also the name of the embattled Jewish neighborhood nearby.

The return of the Temple Mount from occupation by the mosques, and Muslim control, will inaugurate a whole New Era in which our God can and will once again intervene and act freely and visibly on the historical stage.

12 posted on 12/17/2002 6:04:55 AM PST by crystalk
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To: Elsie
I can't resist commenting on this, since I'm in the middle of a Bible study on Revelation.

These are two DIFFERENT earthquakes. The one in Zechariah 14 refers to a local earthquake that occurs when Jesus' touches down on the Mount of Olives. It corresponds, probably, to the earthquake that occurs after the resurrection of the two witnesses in Revelation 11.

The earthquake in Revelation 16 is a worldwide earthquake, that destroys all mountains and all islands and all cities and is part of God's final punishment on the world. They are probably separated by merely days. Jesus personally administers the seven last plagues (bowl or vial plagues) AFTER His return.

There are five distinct earthquakes listed in Revelation.
13 posted on 12/17/2002 6:45:33 AM PST by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: SkyPilot

The cemetary isn't too visible but that's what you're looking at below the gate.

14 posted on 12/17/2002 7:18:18 AM PST by agrace
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To: SkyPilot
Better pic -


15 posted on 12/17/2002 7:30:36 AM PST by agrace
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To: agrace; All
Thank you very, very much for those pictures.

What I type are my biases, so I take responsibility for them.

The Muslims seem to be like petulant children: "You can't play here--it's MINE!!! Building the Dome of the Rock exactly where the Temple stood is a prime example. Walling up the gate and planting dead bodies around it--another.

I believe the dead will be raised anyway--and Jesus already conquered death...so it seems to me the Muhammadites are spitting in the wind.

But (again--my personal bias) recent events seem to indicate that there are many people (including our media) who act like tools of the Evil One to do his bidding regarding Israel and that corner of the world.

If the Muslims really, really believe they are acting on behalf of God, I believe they will have a rude awakening when confronted face to face with Him someday.


16 posted on 12/17/2002 8:15:28 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
These are two DIFFERENT earthquakes.

I noticed as I posted them that the effects were quite different. Can you add any more enlightenment on the other 3 for me?

17 posted on 12/17/2002 11:49:19 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie
Here they are, without interpretation:

Revelation 6:12
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 6 In context: Revelation 6:11-13)


Revelation 8:5
And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 8 In context: Revelation 8:4-6)
(Context: before the seven trumpets)

Revelation 11:13
And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 11 In context: Revelation 11:12-14) (In context: after the resurrection of the two witnesses)


Revelation 11:19
And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 11 In context: Revelation 11:18-20) (Context at, or just after the seventh trumpet)


Revelation 16:18
And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
(Whole Chapter: Revelation 16 In context: Revelation 16:17-19) (Context: the seventh vial or bowl plague)


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18 posted on 12/18/2002 8:38:19 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Thanks!

I looked them up and used them in a bible study Tuesday night.

I was not aware that there is going to be all that shaking going on!

I hope and pray that your study is going well. It probably is one of the more important things we can do.........
19 posted on 12/19/2002 4:43:54 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie
There are a LOT of pictures here........

http://www.bibleplaces.com/images

20 posted on 12/19/2002 4:45:06 AM PST by Elsie
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