FUN WITH THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND

Neil Boortz.com ^ | 12/16/02 | Neil Boortz

[RetiredArmy]

FUN WITH THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND

Many Boortz listeners are now frequent visitors to the Internet's premiere comment board for Democrats. It's called DemocraticUnderground.com. Over the weekend my ever-alert listeners brought two different conversation threads to my attention.

The first thread began with a suggestion by one Democrat that the Congress be equally divided between men and women. Why? Because "Congress is Unjust" That's why. This person didn't bother to explain why it would be "just" to deny to a voter the right to vote for a candidate of their choice. Here's your link to that thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID60/22942.html

The second thread is more alarming. Here we have a posting from some Democrat entitled "It's official. I'm a socialist at heart." Here you go:

- It's official, I'm a socialist at heart. Last night a friend drove my husband and I around after dinner to look at the Christmas lights. One area we went to, where my friend's in-laws live, had multi-million dollar homes. These houses look like office buildings or hotels and most have only two people (rich, old, white couples) living in them. I can't stand it. In a country where people are homeless, children have no medical insurance, and families go hungry how could anyone sleep in a home that would hold a small town. Aaarrrggg. My friends in-laws do not give to charity unless it puts their name out in public or helps them somehow. And they sure as hell don't do anything just to help someone else. These people have so much stuff they can only fit one of their cars in their 4 car garage because its full of the expensive crap they buy & don't have room for in their mansion. They travel all over the world, by can't pay for a day nurse so an elderly relative can stay in their own home. I really cannot stand rich, selfish people. I do believe in redistribution of wealth. Rich people do not get that way by themselves, they do it on the backs of others. Thank you for allowing me to rant.

Now don't get the mistaken impression that this posting was an anomaly. Here are some of the messages that followed. Each paragraph is a different post from a different member of DemocraticUnderground.com.

- And I couldn't agree more. Rich people don't earn their money.

- In a land where continuous warfare is a national priority, where the health needs of people are not prioritized and leaders are appointed via the corruption of precedence in its Supreme Court, socialism has a great appeal.

- Only misguided fools believe that the rich earned their spot as such. Only misguided fools believe that shit they tell you that they got to the top through "hardwork", "determination", and "American values." That is all bunk.

- Rich people got rich by SCREWING everyone else. Rich people stay rich by SCREWING everyone else EVEN HARDER. THAT is what you are seeing in America today. THAT is what you have seen in America for the last hundred years.

- But it doesn't have to be that way. We can build a better country. The constitution DOES NOT require capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system, democracy is a system of government. They are separable, and I believe, should be.

- These people got lucky with a stock split. My father died when I was 5, my mom finished college, became a teacher and raised 4 kids by herself, worked her ass off, scrimped, and did without. These people did not work harder than she did. My mother gives her money and time to many worth while causes and these rich f**ks go shopping for more crap they don't need.

- All liberals are socialists at heart We know that socialism (not necessarily the Marxian brand) will end up being the only way, since we believe that the government is there, not only to govern, but to help people as well.

Now, here's where it gets scary. One of the members of Democratic Underground answered a question as to just how his idea socialist society would be created. The questions asked of this person are in blue italics, followed by his responses. Read this and be VERY afraid.

- First, let me say that there is no blueprint as to how socialism in America will come about, or what it will look like exactly. What is presented below are the things I would propose and fight for in building toward a socialist society.

1. Would you abolish ownership of private property? In the means of production, yes. The factories, mills, shops and major sources of raw materials/natural resources would be immediately placed under social ownership and workers' control. The larger stores of distribution (e.g., WalMart) would also be placed under similar organization.

2. Would you abolish the free market? What "free market"? There is no "free market". That is a capitalist myth. Any "free market" that ever existed under capitalism died with the rise of the monopolies.

3. What exactly does "workers owning the means of production" look like to you? Shop committees of workers sitting down and planning out what they create, how much and for how long, in order to provide the needed products to the public. These committees would work together with similar bodies on a local, regional and national (and, eventually, international) level, in order to make sure enough items are produced for every human on the planet.

4. What sort of governmental system would you have? At first, elected Councils of Workers' Representatives, organs of mass democracy, on a neighborhood, municipal, regional and national (and, eventually, international) level, meeting to set public policy. Over time, these councils would cede more of its "power" to the shop committees, thus letting the state "wither away" into little more than an administrative body. But this last part can only really begin in earnest once workers around the world have liberated themselves from capitalism.

Here's the link if you would like to read this entire thread. Remember ... this is a comment board for Democrats. Now maybe you know why I refer to them as Democratic Socialists.

[RetiredArmy]

Cut from Boortz today. Socialist Demos speak!

[Blood of Tyrants]

The morons over at DU are convinced that socialism failed only because the "right people" weren't in charge.

[Tijeras_Slim]

Been there, done that...ask the 100 million plus dead if socialism works.

[dirtboy]

At first, elected Councils of Workers' Representatives, organs of mass democracy, on a neighborhood, municipal, regional and national (and, eventually, international) level, meeting to set public policy. Over time, these councils would cede more of its "power" to the shop committees, thus letting the state "wither away" into little more than an administrative body. But this last part can only really begin in earnest once workers around the world have liberated themselves from capitalism.

Socialism, hell, this is communism. Soviets. Workers councils.

Of course, it never quite worked as well in practice as it did in theory /extreme sarcasm off.

[ChadGore]

Please don't plug any "liberaldrivel.com" sites in the wonderfull haven of conservative political discorse.

[Phantom Lord]

I ventured over to that thread after reading Nealz Nuze this morning. There are some people on there who are actually speaking the truth, such as Brindle_Boxer. I noticed that persons account has been banned. Gee, I wonder why.

[Petronski]

At first, elected Councils of Workers' Representatives...

The Russian word for which is COBETbI (Soviets).

[babyface00]

What I want to know (and this is a rhetorical question) is
WHAT'S STOPPING THEM?

If "worker's owning the means of production" is so great (look how well it worked for United!), then set up a damn commune factory . I'm sure there are plenty of rich, white, socialist-leaning, guilty people (i.e. Hollywood) who would contribute the capital needed (until these morons abolish private property) to get them started.

Go for it. See what its like to compete in the real world and stop whining. I dare you to prove us capitalist's wrong.

[neutrino]

Good information. Keep in mind, though, that these are the people who want Lott to be destroyed. Kinda makes one think about unintended consequences, doesn't it?

[dead]

These committees would work together with similar bodies on a local, regional and national (and, eventually, international) level, in order to make sure enough items are produced for every human on the planet.

Comical naïveté.

Silly children over there.

[axel f]

You said it. These people need help.

Be afraid.
Be very afraid.

[Billthedrill]

Oh, brother - somebody's been reading the Communist Manifesto for a highschool project again.

[mountaineer]

One area we went to, where my friend's in-laws live, had multi-million dollar homes. These houses look like office buildings or hotels and most have only two people (rich, old, white couples) living in them.

Where were they, Hollywood?

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

I am glad it is us who believes in gun ownership! These people are scarry.

[HetLoo]

It's official, I'm a socialist at heart. Last night a friend drove my husband and I around after dinner to look at the Christmas lights.

Their "friend" has a car big enough to drive two extra people around and they didn't invite any homeless/carless people to enjoy the fruits of others' labors (Christmas lights) with them? Or even sell the car and give the money to the homeless? What's wrong with these selfish people?

[91B]

Somebody really should sit down and explain Michel's Iron Law of Oligarchy to these people.

[KarlInOhio]

At first, elected Councils of Workers' Representatives, organs of mass democracy, on a neighborhood, municipal, regional and national (and, eventually, international) level

Then, if there were still some areas in which the means of production are owned by individuals instead of workers' cooperatives, a wall could be built around them to prevent them from polluting our world wide socialist paradise. Of course it would have to be well armed and mined to prevent the deluded (probably insane) members of our socialist society from trying to exit our paradise.

Please pay no attention to crack-pot leaders on the capitalist pig side insisting that we "tear down this wall".

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[UB355]

My maternal grandmother was active in the Democratic party in Iowa serving on the Iowa Democrat National Committee, and was a delegate to Democrat National Convention twice.

If see could have forseen what has become of the party today, represented by the hairy women and limp wristed males that frequent democraticunderground she would literally be rolling in her grave.