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Too many deer
Washington Times ^ | 12/8/02 | S. A. Miller

Posted on 12/08/2002 12:22:33 AM PST by hoosierskypilot

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To: Savage Beast
I like animals, and I don't like hunting, but it looks like it's the best thing to do.

Same here..I have not hunted for many years. But seeing the scrawny, half-starved deer trying to survive by scratching though the snow to eat what is left of the lawn, after all the landscaping is gone, and seeing them hit by cars out front with depressing regularity is enough to show what happens without predators, Human or otherwise. The herds have moved to a nearby Sate Park where there is no hunting, and onto the campus of a local college! When we moved here almost thirty years ago, we were thrilled to spot them in the yard. Now, they are about as welcome as a hundred pound locust.

The coyotes have come back, too...Maybe that will help. But so far, there is only a fat cat missing.

21 posted on 12/08/2002 5:25:49 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Redleg Duke
Road kill is right! That's a big problem here. Hundreds of deer are killed on roads and streets and constitute a major problem for motorists, some of whom die along with the deer they hit. Hitting a deer at 70 mph is not something you want to contemplate. I saw an accident scene where a semi had plowed through a herd of six deer crossing the freeway. The truck turned over, the driver was hospitalized and all six deer were dead.
22 posted on 12/08/2002 5:31:42 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: Redleg Duke
What the Enviro-Nazis don't want you to know is that there are many times more deer in North America than there were when the white man first arrived.

We obviously need more panthers and wolves. :-)

23 posted on 12/08/2002 5:43:26 AM PST by Amelia
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To: pa_dweller
In Maryland, one CAN hunt within 150 yards of a dwelling with permission of the owner. I do it all the time (indeed, in an area as densely populated as the DC commuting area, it takes some doing to get more than 150 yards from a dwelling!). We are loaded with deer here. My wife and I made a quick dash to the nearest store yesterday for some country ham, and when we pulled back into the driveway, there were 6 deer under the apple trees. One of their kin made its way into my fridge a week ago...guess I need to shoot a couple more, to do my part for restoring the ecological balance of this wacky state.
24 posted on 12/08/2002 5:55:24 AM PST by Renfield
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To: Redleg Duke
The goose hunting in northern VA is great, too, if you can get access to it. Geese really have reached nuisance status there.
25 posted on 12/08/2002 5:59:37 AM PST by Renfield
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To: riverrunner
"If they want more deer shot they have to loosen the regulations."

OR....they could do what the New York Dept. of Conservation did and release 5 mountain lions into a semi-populated area in order to control the rising deer populations. DUH.

Two days later a nearby farmer awoke to find nearly all his chickens, ducks and geese had been killed. Cat tracks were seen throughout his barnyard.

Within a week, a mare had been attacked during the night while defending her foal. Again, cat tracks were found and the nature of the wounds confirmed an attack from a large cat.

Even though local residents have videotaped Mountain Lions in their backyards, NYSDEC continues to deny any such release program! According to NYSDEC, there are no lions in NY, yet it is illegal to shoot them.

There should be a year round open season on the Whitetails until the herds are balanced.

26 posted on 12/08/2002 6:00:50 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: hoosierskypilot
Let's post the whole article, shall we? Unless it's fromt he LAT or WP.


Yews stripped of evergreen needles, bushes picked clean of rose and azalea buds, pansies nipped to the stem and thousands of carcass littering the roadways. The evidence is everywhere that the white-tailed deer has taken a toll on the Washington area and most of the East Coast.

They destroy nearly $1 billion worth of U.S. crops, timber and landscaping annually. And each year they cause most of the 500,000 animal-related vehicle accidents that result in about 100 fatalities and $2.5 billion in damages.

Wildlife officials from Maryland and Virginia acknowledge that they have had little success in reducing the deer population, despite making it a priority for more than a decade.

Naturalists say about 1.25 million white-tails inhabit Maryland and Virginia, about twice as many as when the Europeans established the first colony in North America with the Jamestown settlement of 1607.

Some hunters say the population today could be even larger than estimated because they avoid filing reports for game wardens, though the growth explosion is relatively new.

By 1900, the country's white-tail population was nearly depleted by hunters killing deer for profit, then saved from extinction by the Lacey Act of 1900, which outlawed buying and selling game, and gave federal authorities control of interstate transport of wildlife.

Recovery was slow. Virginia, for example, had 25,000 deer in 1931, or fewer than two per square mile.

By the turn of the century, its population in North America had rebounded to about 500,000. And today the numbers have reached about 20 million, equal to those roaming the countryside during Thomas Jefferson's administration.

Naturalists say the population recovered during the past two decades because of reforestation, farms being abandoned and restocking. They also say some of the problems in Virginia and Maryland are being caused by descendents of deer brought from as far away as Arkansas and Michigan in the mid-1900s.

Virginia has about 1 million deer and Maryland about 250,000. The District keeps no official record of its deer population, but the 50-square-mile city probably has a fraction of the number found in neighboring states.

Allowing hunters to shoot and kill deer is considered the easiest and least-expensive method to reduce the population. Though it works in rural Virginia and Maryland, the method is impractical in the District and the suburbs, where man and deer live side by side.

As many as 60 deer per square mile inhabit some parts of Northern Virginia, though about 18 per square mile is the optimal number.

"We have not been successful in the last five years," said Matt Knox, deer program supervisor for the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries. "We are not meeting our management-reduction goal."

One reason is that deer in the suburbs are protected from hunters. And government programs such as Maryland's Open Space provides them with an eden of trees, shrubs, gardens and flower beds.

"Suburbia is actually very good deer habitat, unfortunately for us," said Brian Eyler, a deer biologist with the Maryland Department of Natural Resources. "It makes our job a lot harder."

Sometimes the encounters are bizarre.

For example, a large buck recently burst into a Kroger supermarket in Blacksburg, Va., and ran amok through the store for several minutes, jumping over people, charging down aisles and sliding about on the linoleum floor before finding an exit.

And in Northeast Washington last month, two bucks jumped through the window of a McDonald's and ran frantically through the restaurant amid startled patrons and staff. One deer escaped, but both animals were destroyed by animal-control officers. Four women in the restaurant had scrapes and bruises from the flying debris.

More often, the encounters are expensive and deadly.

There were 4,229 crashes between vehicles and deer in Maryland last year, each incident costing motorists $2,000 to $8,000. Nearly half of them happened in Montgomery County, while Charles County was a distant second, with 413.

In 1999, the state had 2,973 such crashes. Montgomery County had the most: 2,033.

Virginia had 6,030 such collisions in 2001, and Loudoun County led the commonwealth with 283. The number was 4,727 in 2000, a 28 percent increase, according to the Virginia Department of Transportation.

Damage in Maryland and Virginia last year for deer-related accidents totaled about $50 million.

The District does not keep records of traffic accidents involving deer, but most of them occur in and around Rock Creek Park in upper Northwest.

Wildlife officials agree that regulated hunting is the best way to thin the deer population and have recently encouraged hunters to kill more female deer because most other methods are too expensive or impractical.

The trap-and-transfer method can cost as much as $800 a deer, with many being injured or killed in the process. Conservationists say that 85 percent of the relocated deer died in a recent California project.

They also say that reintroducing bobcats and wolves as natural deer predators is too dangerous and unproven.

As proof that hunting is the best method, Maryland wildlife officials point out that in 1996 more than 100 deer were killed by cars in and around Seneca Creek State Park near Gaithersburg. But when they opened the park the following year, hunters killed 134 deer and the number of deer killed on the roads dropped to 50.

Hunters killed 50 deer in the park last year, and eight were struck by cars.

Still, controversy can be expected when hunters are allowed in parks or when any changes affect the deer population.

For example, Rock Creek Park is federal property, so wildlife officials cannot resolve the deer problem until they get approval for an environmental-impact study. Residents can also influence the government's decision with their testimony, which is a requisite part of the process.

"When there is even a hint of us doing something about the deer, we immediately get calls from people saying: 'We love the deer. Don't kill them,'" said Laura Illige, the park's chief ranger. "We also get calls from people saying: 'They are eating my azaleas. Do something.'"

Among the most contentious reduction methods is hiring sharpshooters to cull large deer herds in small areas. In recent years, the shooters have killed deer at Goddard Space Flight Center in Prince George's County, the Randall Cliffs Naval Research Lab near Chesapeake Beach in Southern Maryland and in some Montgomery County parks.

Though the method is too dangerous to reduce deer populations statewide, scientists at the National Institute of Standards and Technologies in Maryland are studying the possibility of shooting darts laced with contraceptive drugs.

Still, most wildlife officials say more liberal hunting regulations is the best alternative.

In some suburban settings, authorities have taken the drastic step of allowing bow hunting in public parks. When Barboursville, W.Va., officials started a special bow season last week in a community park, about 300 hunters stalked through woods not far from hikers and other visitors.

Fairfax County is planning two special hunts in January to thin the deer herd in Huntley Meadows Park in Hybla Valley, home to some of the estimated 40,000 deer that live in the county parks.

Maryland and Virginia have also adopted laws in recent years that permit more hunting of female deer.

"We've got to find ways to increase the harvest of female deer," said Mr. Knox, the Virginia deer specialist.

In Virginia a hunter can kill one female deer a day during the bow, firearm or muzzleloader season.

By hunting in all three seasons, a hunter could kill three bucks and about 150 does each year. By participating in only the firearm season, Nov. 18 through Jan. 4, a hunter in Loudoun, Fairfax or Prince William counties could legally kill as many as three bucks and 81 does.

Virginia hunters killed 214,890 deer last year, a roughly 15 percent increase from the 2000 total of 187,170.

Wildlife officials know that many hunters want to stalk the bigger, more majestic bucks and that many feel uneasy about killing female deer. But they say education programs have steadily increased the number of does killed.

There are no limits on killing female deer in Southern Maryland, the Eastern Shore and the state's central region, which includes Prince George's, Montgomery and part of Frederick counties. To create further incentives, state officials have also waived the $5 fee for each female deer killed and have mandated that after killing a buck, hunters must kill two female deer before killing another buck.

Maryland officials say about 50 percent of the 83,787 deer killed last year were female.

Some avid hunters still complain about the cost of hunting licenses and the strict rules that can result in fines.

"You charged me $50 to do a job the state should do," hunter Dave Gordon told wildlife official Mr. Eyler at a recent deer-management seminar.

Mr. Eyler replied that licensing fees pay for most of the state's hunting programs.

Mr. Gordon, who hunts in all seasons in Montgomery and Prince George's counties, also complained about a $120 fine a game warden wrote him for hunting 15 feet inside the 150-yard no-hunting zone around houses.

He said the homeowner "wanted me to kill every deer in sight because they were eating up everything in her yard."

Yet the biggest obstacle to deer control in Maryland is the dwindling number of hunters.

"Too many kids are sitting home playing deer hunter on the computer," Mr. Eyler said.

Since the 1970s, the number of licensed hunters in Maryland has declined from about 180,000 to about 140,000. The number of hunters younger than 16 has also dropped significantly — from a peak of about 23,000 in the 1970s to about 7,000 in the early 1990s, wildlife officials say.

The state recently instituted a special "Junior Hunt" day typically held two weeks before the start of the regular season, which permits hunting exclusively for those younger than 16 and accompanied by an adult.

This and other programs have shown some early success because the number of licensed junior hunters has increased in recent years to about 9,600. Officials say the young hunters are key in changing the trend; 3.4 percent of Marylanders hunt, compared with the national average of 7 percent, 19 percent in West Virginia and 10 percent in Pennsylvania.

Still, wildlife officials know that the problems associated with suburban deer are not going away anytime soon.

"Suburban deer are going to be on the radar a long time," Mr. Eyler said. "It's going to be an issue in this state forever."

27 posted on 12/08/2002 6:11:59 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: Redleg Duke
In Californicatia, they have a thriving pig population. The limit is one...per day...all year long. Wild pork is delicious and the population doesn't seem to be hurt by this brutal hunting pressure.

yes it is very delicious we have a pig problem in florida and I have no problem helping out any any way I can
28 posted on 12/08/2002 6:14:19 AM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: hoosierskypilot
Bump
29 posted on 12/08/2002 6:17:11 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: hoosierskypilot
Gotta be careful of those cagey tree-deer though.... (a whitetail subspecies...)

And those Alabama deer.... BRUTAL!!!

(gotta like the old car though...)

30 posted on 12/08/2002 6:23:10 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: Post Toasties
A ratio of 2 does to every buck is an OK ratio. The Texas landowner of the ranch where my husband hunts, surveys(counts from a helicopter) the deer herds & then tells his hunters how many does they *must* kill to keep the numbers in check. They are also supposed to cull all inferior bucks. They are each allowed only one buck taken as a trophy. These rules have greatly improved the dear herd.
31 posted on 12/08/2002 6:38:12 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Post Toasties
Hunters prefer to shoot bucks, not does...

Never had the misfortune to meet some of the ignorant buffoons that fancy themselves great white hunters in the NE portion of Alabama, huh?

I own some acreage, upon which reside some prime whitetail deer, both buck and doe. I put out mineral licks, cultivate feed plots and encourage mast production.

I once tried to allow some persons to hunt on my land.

Mistake. They would not follow my desires in culling the herd. Everybody wanted the trophy, but they would shoot at anything that moved, to include owls, skunks, raccoons. They spit wads of chewing tobacco on the ground, left the empty Red Man packs laying where they fell, one even left a six-pack of empty Dr. Pepper cans under the tree he was hunting from.

They would urinate and defecate indiscriminately and then wonder why the deer would not approach the area.

One fell from a tree and then threatened to sue me for medical expenses and for damages to his expensive rifle. I won only because he was the only one that I had failed to provide a written permission to hunt on my land. (A requirement in Alabama.) They did "whoopty-doos" on the terraced areas of a maintained pasture with ATV's. They refused to follow my established trails and insisted in driving their fat asses to their chosen hunting spot, ignoring my designated spots.

I put a stop to it and now am cursed repeatedly by those that abused it the most.

I allow no one to hunt my land, now.

I don't care if the deer resort to eating one another, I will not allow another ignorant so-called "hunter" to enter my land.

It is overpopulated, but I have decided to allow nature to take it's own course.

Enough of them wander to adjacent lands that are hunted heavily and thence killed, that I know it will not be a problem.

The main thing is that I no longer have to deal with the idiots.

32 posted on 12/08/2002 7:20:44 AM PST by OldSmaj
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To: hoosierskypilot
Deer Hunting, Railroad Style

Here's a good story for ya'all....

I hit the same deer _twice_ one night .... with a TRAIN.

I got called for "light engines" (engines without a train) from New Haven to Boston one evening, 8.30pm reporting time. Just me, no crew, as some years back, Amtrak would send "lites" out with an engineman only.

I left New Haven behind train 178 (last eastbound passenger train of the evening). Just a little east of Mystic, Connecticut, at Lord's Point, I came across a deer standing on the tracks. He didn't move. Hit him good. Oh, well, there goes another one.

I got to Boston a little after midnight, and they had two more engines to run _back_ to New Haven. Actually, I didn't mind running them back, you're out there completely by yourself at that time of night, just you, the train, and the railroad. Almost like if you were to drive the entire distance from Boston to New Haven on I-95 and be the _only_ car on the road for the whole trip.

As I approached the spot where I'd struck the deer coming up, I discovered the carcass had been knocked from the Track 2 (eastbound) side over onto Track 1, where I was coming westbound. Hit him again!

Hit twice, the same night, by the same person. Who says it never strikes twice?

- John

33 posted on 12/08/2002 7:46:51 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: OldSmaj
I don't care if the deer resort to eating one another, I will not allow another ignorant so-called "hunter" to enter my land.

Enough of them wander to adjacent lands that are hunted heavily and thence killed, that I know it will not be a problem.

The main thing is that I no longer have to deal with the idiots.

I don't blame you for banning the hunters you've had experience with. They were slob hunters and damage hunting for everyone. It always amazes me that anyone would go onto someone's land as a guest and then abuse the courtesy extended to them.

The big problem we have here (Kentucky) is a too short season. This results in too many hunters in the field at the same time, which I consider to be very dangerous. We need substantial modifications to the season length, rules to reduce the deer population (like two does before another buck can be taken) and create a safer hunting environment IMO.

34 posted on 12/08/2002 8:45:01 AM PST by toddst
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To: William Terrell
Yea, you're right. It's sooooooooooooo much trouble to click on the link.
35 posted on 12/08/2002 9:28:25 AM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
Yea, you're right. It's sooooooooooooo much trouble to click on the link.

Not at all; a little less trouble than posting the full article, which in turn would be easier than posting a partial and a link. But it will be impossible to use the link for those that want to pull this article out of the archives a couple months from now. The link would have degraded by then and replaced with another article.

36 posted on 12/08/2002 9:44:08 AM PST by William Terrell
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