Posted on 12/04/2002 10:56:33 AM PST by Sabertooth
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PC run amock
Most anthropologist group them in with Mongoloid (Asian).
Most anthropologist group them in with Mongoloid (Asian).
Some do, but that's increasingly up in the air.
In any case, the purpose of the use of racial or ethnic IDs where law enforcement is concerned is to help the LEOs and the public make swift visual assessments as to whether a given person is who they're looking for. Labeling Latinos as White is counterproductive.
What ought to happen is the desgination should be changed from "race" to "race/ethnicity."
Agreed.
Have yo read "The Color of Crime" yet?
There is a link to it in post #79.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Here's a non PDF link... The Color of Crime
Sorry for having split ethnic/racial hairs.
I completely understand, Sabertooth, that you, as a white American with a surname such as Smith, O'Brian, Schmidt, Horowitz, Polanski or Columbo, do not want the honor of taking credit for this population's crime statistics.
On the other hand, we white Americans with surnames such as Diaz, Garcia, Fuentes and Cortez do not want the honor of taking credit for this population's crime statistics either. That goes for their educational, economic and pregnancy statistics too.
I am sure that Americans of the Navaho, Seminole, Cherokee or Apache persuasion would also decline the honor of taking credit for this population's crime statistics.
To me, the solution is quite obvious.
Mexico takes pride in calling itself a Mestizo nation. In Mexican schools, it is stressed that Mexico is Mesttizo. The entire "La Raza" rhetoric means Mestizo.
The Mexican Government uses the racial classifications of white, Mestizo and Indio.
Why can't the U.S. Government adopt the racial terminology embraced by the Mexicans themselves, call a Mestizo a Mestizo, and leave the rest of us out of it?
Failing that, I propse that we all share credit for this population's crime statistics on a rotating basis:
In January, we of Spanish surnames will take the blame.
In February, German surnames will take the blame.
In March, Polish surnames will take the blame.
In April, Italian surnames will take the blame.
In May, English surnames will take the blame.
In June, Scandinavian surnames .................
The same game is played elsewhere, whenever it will make Leftist stats look better. The other day I discovered something interesting about the welfare stats. The old Leftist saw about "most people on welfare are white" happens to be false if you break out Hispanics, as shown byUS Dept of Health & Human Services (Table 10, breakdown by race). It turns out the breakdown is 36% white, 37% black, and 21% Hispanic -- so if you group the Hispanics with the whites, the white percentage is 57%.
Realisticly, the whole "Hispanic" label doesn't work, in that a European of Spain, a Spanish-speaking Mexican of pure Mayan ancestry, a Portugese-speaking Brazilian of mixed Black/Indian ancestry and a native-language-Indian straight out of the Amazon jungle would all be classified as "Hispanic".
Effectively speaking, most people I know use "Hispanic" to mean a person who is greatly/mostly Indian-from-south-of-the Rio-Grande, and who comes from a Spanish-speaking culture.
You can be considered "black" if you have few-percent black ancestry
BTW, I notice in RonDog's #62, we seem to have had no interest in finding out how many were here from the middle east. Were Saudis or Afghanis, for example, counted as Asians or white?
Yeah, we haven't even gotten to the matter of hiding the immigrants and the Illegals in the prison population.
Why, for instance, should Illegals or immigrants even be in a sex offender registry? Why aren't they summarily deported upon release from incarceration?
LOL. You have been hoisted by your own petard. You are now siding with La Razza in order to prove your point....
What a mess isn't it? Let me just say, that a Brazilian speaking Portuguese isn't Hispanic but Latin. Someone born in Spain is a Spaniard or Spanish. The Spaniards didn't colonize the jungle so a native-language-Indian straight out the Amazon jungle is called an Amazonian Indian and belongs to a tribe, which by the way there are quite a few in the jungles of South America. The conquistadors weren't interested in this area and left it alone. As far as they were concerned, it contained no gold nor was it fit for raising sugar cane.
I prefer the Spaniards' racial classification, which are still being used to this day throughout Latin speaking countries.
From Polybius' post #68
During the Spanish Colonial period, racial classifications were as follows:Blanco = White
Peninsular = White born in Spain
Criollo = White born in the colonies. The Peninsular had political rights that a Criollo did not. Thus, the Criollo son of a Peninsular father and mother had less legal rights than his parents. The purpose was to maintain a Spanish grip on the Colonies. The effect was rebellion against the Madre Patria.
Negro = Black
Mulato =Negro + Blanco cross
Indio = MesoAmerican Indian
Mestizo = Indio + Blanco cross
Cholo = Mestizo + Indio cross
Zambo = Negro + Indio cross
Chino = Zambo + Indio cross
Chino Asiatico = Oriental
Grifo = Zambo + Mulato cross
That's the basic breakdown. If you wanted to get really picky about it, you used this racial classification system
The current U.S. racial system is as follows: If you have a Spanish surname, you are of the so-called Hispanic "Race".
This of course, makes as much sense as declaring that if you have an English name, be it Andrew Jackson or Jesse Jackson, you are of the so-called Gringo "Race".
Then again, Daisy Fuentes, the Cuban American bombshell does have a striking family resemblance to fellow Cuban "El Duque" Hernandez and Mexican Cesar Chavez.
Hmmm, I don't know about Daisy Fuentes, El Duque and Cesar Chavez, LOL! I think there is more similarity between Daisy and Cameron Diaz whose father is a Cuban-American.
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On NOW at RadioFR!
Doug from Upland interviews JAYNA DAVIS discussing the OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING
As far as racial classifications, that would be more accurate but I very much doubt that Indians or Mestisos are more predisposed to crime. I think some of the browner Mexicans can be the most honest and least criminal ---it just depends on what someone believes and other factors. I live near a mostly hispanic city that is one safest cities in the US but at the same time near a mostly hispanic city that is the most dangerous in all of Mexico. I don't think "browness" has anything to do with criminality.
Hardly. The point was to cite another divergent source.
La Raza may correctly identify some of the shennanigans going on with regard to racial and ethnic distinctions being made in our criminal populations, but I doubt I agree with them much as to the motivation for the subterfuge.
And they may also have another agenda by pretending.
Plenty of verifiable evidence has been posted from government sources indicating that the routine classification of Latino criminals as White is actually happening. Check out the links at #35.
If you think there's evidence to the contrary, post it.
Latino refers to anyone whose heritage derives from one of the five Latin coutries: Spain, Italy, Portugual, France, or Roumania. "Latino" is an ambiguous term, especially as compared to "Hispanic."
I'd like to delve into how these people have changed their identification terminology over the years, but I'd probably catch hell from the Hispanics, latinos, Tejanos, Mexican-Americans, and chicanos, so I won't.
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