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In Toronto, Christmas Is Out, 'Holiday Tree' Is In
Yahoo News ^ | 11/25/02

Posted on 11/27/2002 7:26:24 AM PST by marshmallow

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To: DownWithGreenspan
Can anybody point out something specifically Christian about the Christmas tree?

Red herring alert: it's not about the tree, it's about the word Christmas. I guess what comes next is the usual drivel about Christmas being a "pagan" holiday, etc.

The mission of the anti-Christian left, including the mush-headed Liber(al)tarians we often see around here, is to get "Christ" out of "Christmas" (and everywhere else).

At the risk of being accused of calumny (I don't beleve that anyone can state that my opinion is heresy), I believe that there is nothing particularly "Christmas" that attaches to the paganistic, racially imprinted, winter solstice worshiping ritual of adorning ones winter shelter with evergreen fronds and bushes.

Other that a coincidence of seasonality of the observence, of course.

41 posted on 11/28/2002 1:15:33 PM PST by steve in DC
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To: FreedomCalls
Political Correctness is wrong-Period.

It is everywhere, (both political parties are equally guilty of practicing the communisim political correctness craft.) I am sure even Bush.

But in some cases the word holiday could actually be referencing -Thanksgiving and Christmas- stories.


42 posted on 11/28/2002 1:17:47 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: marshmallow
People keep trying to take Christ out of Christmas and I think it's time to stop. Our celebrating Christmas takes absolutely nothing away from Jewish, Muslim, Hindu etc. celebrations. I have Jewish friends over for Christmas dinner and they have me over dinner at Hanukkah.

You do NOT celebrate multiculturalism by destroying your own culture. You share the joys of each with each other.

43 posted on 11/28/2002 1:20:59 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Hacksaw
It may go back even further than that. There are some intersting verses in the old testament describing something that sounds suspiciously like a Christmas tree.

Jeremiah, Chapter 10, verses 2 through 5 read, "This what the Lord says: "Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the sky, though the nations are terrified by them. For the customers of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they can not walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good."

I found that passage quite intersting when I came across it. It immediately reminded me of our Christmas trees. Certainly food for thought.

44 posted on 11/28/2002 1:26:37 PM PST by Pablo64
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To: marshmallow
Winter Solstice bump
45 posted on 11/28/2002 1:27:49 PM PST by Cacique
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To: steve in DC
It was quite easy in society to take (JESUS) CHRIST out of Christmas as Christmas has become in more households that care to realize (I'd guess) nothing more than the huge retail marketing scheme to make the most money all year. i e..... I want this......give me give me give me.

And a grand excuse to run up credit cards to keep up with the Jones' and update all the electronics/computers/video games and buy even a larger TV screen. In any given upscale yuppie neighborhood it is fashionable for pre teens to be seen outside on the best/most expensive four wheeler or an actual inneractive paint ball war world in the woods or the best Volvo/Beemer for the college bound son or daughter.

46 posted on 11/28/2002 1:30:16 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: marshmallow
BTW, if they keep this up it will be MONO-CULTURALISM not multi-culturalism.
47 posted on 11/28/2002 1:31:28 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
Excellent points. Very well said, thank-you.
48 posted on 11/28/2002 1:31:59 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: marshmallow
I am wondering why Yahoo News would take the time to report/print this about Canada and not a peep (it seems?) about America guilty of the same PC's.
49 posted on 11/28/2002 1:34:35 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: steve in DC
Other that a coincidence of seasonality of the observence, of course.

To throw more fat on the fire, it is also highly unlikely that Christ was born anywhere near December 25.

There is nothing specifically about the date in Scripture, but the circumstantial evidence points to either spring or fall.

Late December in the Judean hills is a very cold, wet, snowy time of year. Hardly a time that:

1) large numbers of people would choose to travel on foot to their ancestral homes

2)a loving husband would pick to travel with a 9-months pregnant wife

3) shepherds would choose to sleep out in the fields with the sheep.

The traditional idea of the Wise Men showing up on the night of his birth would also seem to point to a time of year that is not largely overcast.

50 posted on 11/28/2002 3:15:48 PM PST by Restorer
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
,,, meanwhile, in Australia.
51 posted on 11/28/2002 3:58:30 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: marshmallow
Just another reason I would never live in that "God forsaken" country. Taking God out of their lives, and taking "Christ" out of CHRISTmas makes a mockery of this blessed season.
52 posted on 11/28/2002 4:08:01 PM PST by WyCoKsRepublican
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To: WyCoKsRepublican
Just another reason I would never live in that "God forsaken" country.

Did you not read my posts, here, here, here, and here?

You are living in such a country.

53 posted on 11/28/2002 4:25:25 PM PST by FreedomCalls
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!; FreedomCalls
That is C-Span's wording in those pictures.
54 posted on 11/28/2002 4:27:26 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Hail Mary,Full of grace,Happy Thanksgiving.
55 posted on 11/28/2002 6:09:35 PM PST by fatima
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Indeed! Thank you!!!
56 posted on 11/28/2002 10:04:22 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: marshmallow
The left-wing wackos think EVERYBODY hates Christmas and fears Christians as much as they do.

It's just not the case!

57 posted on 11/28/2002 10:06:19 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Political Correctness can never erase this.

Everybody, look! It's the Holiday Shepherd and the Independent, Feminist, Single Mother with the Spiritual Baby! And the Three Persons-who-scored-highly-on-the-SATs-but-that's-not-the-same-as-intelligence-which-cannot-really-be-measured-fairly! They come bearing welfare checks for the unwed mother!

What a wonderful multicultural holiday!

58 posted on 11/28/2002 10:12:30 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: shaggy eel
I will not buy from any store or catalog that does not respect and acknowledge Christmas. If we have to be respectful and tolerant of all these other holidays in the name of diversity then why is our holiday CHRISTMAS allowed to be disrespected. Fight back with your money and attitude. This is ridiculous; over 94 % of the US celebrates CHRISTMAS. I guess the other 6% will have to become tolerant and just get over it.
59 posted on 11/28/2002 10:28:17 PM PST by grego
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To: Hacksaw
They also liked to adorn the tree with apples and candles - now our ornaments and lights.

I forgot to mention - if you want to put candles on your tree for old times sake, make sure your insurance is paid up. I understand that the old European winter festival also mysteriously coincided with a lot of house fires :)

60 posted on 11/29/2002 7:32:17 AM PST by Hacksaw
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