Death of American Twins, Liberty and Freedom

Self

[Old philosopher]

Today, November 25, 2002, with the signature of George W. Bush creating the Department of Homeland Security, a milestone in the History of our great country was marked by the death of the Twin Pillars of our society, Freedom and Liberty.

The fight to keep alive these two foundations of our Nation has been a long and arduous one. The mercilous attacks on them have come from politicians on both sides of the aisle in their ever continuing grab for more and more power. Regardless of popular support for the twins, the political class has long sought to bring about their demise. In a "Bi-Partisan" effort both houses of Congress have voted to destroy the most important rights of the People, only a very few of the Congress opposed the death of these important twins.

Those of us who have known these twins for a long time will be very much saddened by their death, and those who have only known them briefly will soon learn how important they were to the Welfare and Security of our Great Country. With the death of Liberty and Freedom it will only be a short time until the Populace of this country will be living under a Dictatorship, controlled by an "Elite" class of politicians who will dictate every facet of our lives.

Requiem In Pacet!

[nopardons]

You may be old, but you aren't wise. You've been wearing tinfoil, for so long, that lefty propaganda now rings true, to you.

[tpaine]

Well said Miss Pie.

"How will he [George Bush] be able to insure that Gore or Clinton doesn't abuse this? That's simple, he can't."

Don't expect these FR clowns I've flagged, -- who ~claim~ themselves to be 'conservatives', -- to answer that question.
-- They don't care. They cheer all big govenment schemes, and make fun of liberty & freedom.

[nopardons]

Tis a great pity, that you and the rest of THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING sheep can't distinguish between paranoid propaganda and reality.

[Hank Kerchief]

You'd already proven yourself a political malcontent, now we know you're a social misfit too.

That is just about how I would describe myself, too. I am not a socialist, therefore, I am a social misfit. I presume you are quite content with being "socially fit." Although I do not presume to know what you mean by "political malcontent," what I would mean is that I am not content with the idea that people belong to the government, as you apparently do.

Thanks for the complement.

Hank

[tpaine]

Well said Miss Pie.

"How will he [George Bush] be able to insure that Gore or Clinton doesn't abuse this? That's simple, he can't."

Don't expect these FR clowns I've flagged, -- who ~claim~ themselves to be 'conservatives', -- to answer that question.
-- They don't care. They cheer all big govenment schemes, and make fun of liberty & freedom.

[tpaine]

Well said Miss Pie.

"How will he [George Bush] be able to insure that Gore or Clinton doesn't abuse this? That's simple, he can't."

Don't expect these FR clowns I've flagged, -- who ~claim~ themselves to be 'conservatives', -- to answer that question.
-- They don't care. They cheer all big govenment schemes, and make fun of liberty & freedom.

[Southack]

"I dunno... ever heard of the Fourth Amendment?"

You're right, you don't know.

How have your 4th Amendment rights been violated/voided, specificly?

Are you FORBIDDEN from being secure in your "person" by the new Homeland Security Agency? Of course not.

So the government is going to merge its existing databases. Ooooh, scary. Gee, the freaking sky is falling.

Oh my gosh, the government is now going to monitor public data traffic on the government-funded public internet much like highway patrolmen monitor auto traffic on government-funded highways. Quick, call the ACLU!

< /SARCASM >

Some people fall for the least little left-wing propaganda. All that a liberal has to do is to pretend to be MORE conservative than anyone else in the room and "poof!", a few wayward souls will always seem to buy into such flimsy arguments (e.g. "all of our privacy is gone forever and the jack booted thugs are coming to get me in their black helicopters").

[nopardons]

Into your second childhood, are you ? Losing your memory too ?

At the ripe old age of 78, surely you remember WW II; don't you ? Were you complaining, back then, about all the loses of your freedoms ? Did you or your parents buy blackmarket silk stockings, meat, shoes, rubber tires, and gasoline, when you weren't allowed to ? Did you have a hissyfit over blackout curtains ? Did you refuse to save newspapers, animal fat, and not turning iron % tin, for the war effort ? Come on...fess up.

[Hank Kerchief]

I'll gladly buy you one-way airfare to Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, or Indonesia if you promise to stay there.

Thanks, anyway. I can wait 'til you and your government have turned this country into one of those.

Hank

[Kevin Curry]

Are you still here? Why haven't you fled this cesspool of misery and slavery for verdant lands of liberty elsewhere?

I see Hank Kerchief is still here, too. I hereby expand my offer to buy him a one way ticket to include the Phillipines as a destination.

[Kevin Curry]

I can wait 'til you and your government have turned this country into one of those.

Then you disagree with tpaine and the petulant old geezer who opened this bottle of whine? You believe freedom yet lives in these United States?

Make up your mind.

[nopardons]

The tinfoil brigade has been joined by the crazies, and I still want to know just WHICH liberties and freedoms, they have all lost, since Gerorge W. Bush became president. LOL

[Hank Kerchief]

Tis a great pity, we and the rest of us THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING sheep can't distinguish between paranoid propaganda and reality. We are so frightened, we'll even by the Homeland security boondogle to save us.

Couldn't agree with you more!

Hank

[Southack]

"Come on, be a man and have the guts to either mention the SPECIFIC freedom/liberty that was stolen, or else admit that you are simply full of hyperbole." - Southack

"I have a better idea. Perhaps YOU could name the ONLY amendment contained in the Bill of "RIGHTS" that has not been abrogated/trashed (pervious to today that is)." - S.O.S121.500 (i.e. the pilots' Mayday frequency - a fitting nickname for a chicken little)

Is your idea "better" in your mind because you can't name a specific freedom that's been lost, or is it better because it would change the subject away from an area in which you can only lose?

[nopardons]

If you use the net to buy things and pay your bills from, and use credit cards, for any purchases, YOUR " private " info is already out there and available to almost ANYONE already.

You THE SKY IS FALLING DOWN types, keep forgetting this fact and now think that the Homeland Security department is going to be going after Y-O-U . The Clintons went after people B-E-F-O-E this department was created. They didn't need it. They won't need it, should Hitlery ever become president ( GOD FOREFEND ! ) and decides to go after any one else.

[Cultural Jihad]

Are you still here? Why haven't you fled this cesspool of misery and slavery for verdant lands of liberty elsewhere?

LOL! They are apparently voting with their derrieres.

[tpaine]

Rave on kevin. You have made yourself an FR joke.

[nopardons]

The ONLY time, these people are " happy ", is when they are scaring themselves to death, with paraoid what ifs.

[nopardons]

They just whinge, whine, cuss, and obfuscate. Their lives are nothing, N-O-T-H-I-N-G but a gigantic, paranoid, whine fest. LOL

[Indrid Cold]

IMHOP, freedom has been dead since FDR was inaugurated. Liberty has since been coughing up blood... What we're living under now is their ugly stepsister, Permission.