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Mr. Cannell said Arizona legislators will likely take up the issue of vigilante groups during the state's next legislative session. The Democrat said he was "strongly opposed" to the groups.

So, then....the govt won't take effective action to stop illegals, but they want to stop those that want to stop it? Democrats trolling for Democrat votes again?.....

Don't get me wrong, folks. I've never advocated vigilant groups, most especially violence. It just seems two-faced of our government to not take proper action on illegal immigration but to threaten legal citizens for trying to stop it.

1 posted on 11/24/2002 2:06:29 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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States may take action against groups that target migrants illegal immigrants

There now - that's better. Nothing like the media mileading the public, is there?



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2 posted on 11/24/2002 2:10:45 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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U.S. and Mexican lawmakers expressed concern Saturday about a growing number of American vigilante groups that capture and sometimes hurt or kill Mexican migrants who cross into the United States illegally.

Name just ONE border intruder (NOT "Mexican migrant") hurt or killed by one of these so-called "American vigilante groups"!

AP is a bunch of lying bastards! I intend to freep them over this one.

3 posted on 11/24/2002 2:19:25 AM PST by Spiff
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Hooray for the American patriots with the guts to protect this country. The politicians who support the takeover of this country by swarming third-world immigration should be treated like the traitors that they are.
4 posted on 11/24/2002 2:23:12 AM PST by uscit
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This article certainly provides us with a Barbara Streisand moment or six.

The article states that there is, "a growing number of American vigilante groups that capture and sometimes hurt or kill Mexican migrants who cross into the United States illegally."  If that is true, the hurt and kill part, it's rather interesting that US Citizens have not been arrested or charged with such activity.  Is the Mexican government suggesting our government dosen't take assault and murder seriously north of the border?

Once again quoting from the article, "'The fringe groups have sprung up...', said Arizona state Rep. Robert Cannell."  I don't consider farmers who wish to protect their land, posessions and family from illegal immigrant interlopers, to be a "fringe group."  These folks are as mainstream as it gets.  US Citizens want the border brought under control by 70%.  So who is the fringe individual here?  That's right Cannell, you are.  "The Democrat said he was 'strongly opposed' to the groups."  Well he's the one who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.  Either he should do it or resign.

"New Mexico state Senator Mary Jane Garcia said, 'vigilante groups appeal to undereducated young men who feel that state and federal governments haven't done
enough to protect towns along the border.' The Democrat said the issue also needed urgent attention in the New Mexico legislature."  Well the folks I've seen on the television are college educated people, former law enforcement officers and former members of the military.  I guess that's three pretty problematic groups according ot this ill-informed state senator.

Perhaps the single most outlandish portion of this report, is the attempt to drag criminality south of the border into the debate over the patrols.  Without missing a beat the article continues, "Also on Saturday, Chihuahua state lawmaker Cesar Castro Lopez called on investigators from the FBI and Britain's Scotland Yard to help solve the brutal slayings of women in Ciudad Juarez."

Unless you're paying attention here, it almost sounds as if the writer is talking about activity instigated by the "vigilantes" (refered to by folks without an ax to grind as patrols).  Read on, "More than 75 women have been raped and killed since 1993 in Ciudad Juarez, the border's largest city. Dozens of suspects have been arrested, but bodies have continued to turn up in the desert."  Here we are talking about the subject of the patrols, which these elected officials can't come grips with, then the article launches into stories of rapes and killings without making much of the fact that the patrols aren't involved at all.  They don't operate south of the borders.  They have nothing to do with these crimes, and nobody said they did.  But lumped in with this article, the intimation is clear.

Read this:

"Mr. Castro Lopez said that Mexican state and federal commissions assigned to investigate the crimes have failed to produce any concrete leads. 'It has become a financial issue of vital importance for those who do business on the border,' he said, adding that violence in Juarez has begun to affect U.S. commercial interests, thus ensuring that the killings fall under U.S. jurisdiction. The killings have 'ruined the reputation of Ciudad Juarez in the eyes of the world,' Mr. Castro Lopez said."

Excuse me, but it is not the job of the United States to solve crimes taking place in Mexico.  None the less Chihuahua state lawmaker Cesar Castro Lopes calls on the United States and Scotland Yard to solve the crimes.  Why?  "Becuase it affects US commercial interests.  Thus it ensures that the killings fall under US Jurisdiction."  Now there's a Democrat in the making!

I don't know who's elected officials are the bigger fools.  Is it the Mexican lawmaker that screws over the US Citizen then bitches when those citizens take reasoned measures to stop it?  Is it the US lawmaker who watches on and blames the US Citizen without so much as an inadvertent burp in the presence of Mexican Officials?  Or is it this Lopes who calls in US Law Enforcement and Interpole rather than slam his own leader Fox for not taking more action on the issue?

This border mess just gets wierder and wierder.

5 posted on 11/24/2002 2:58:44 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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Now that is alot of bull, I haven't heard of any illegal getting killed by one of these groups without good cause.
7 posted on 11/24/2002 3:35:43 AM PST by dila813
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U.S. and Mexican lawmakers expressed concern Saturday about a growing number of American vigilante groups that capture and sometimes hurt or kill Mexican migrants who cross into the United States illegally.

What a bunch of crap. Yesterday I watched live feed on Barnett's Ranch on the Douglas/Mexico border. It started as just a test of their motion sensors and satellites and cameras. Then they got a signal of movement and traveled to the site. I then saw 3 illegals, 2 walking and one on a bicycle. Another camera showed a member of the citizen patrol on a cell phone.

Then we saw 2 US Border Patrol vehicles meet up with him and proceed to follow him to the location of the illegals. Between the time these guys were spotted and when the Border Patrol caught up with them, no one from the citizen group ever approached them. They were strolling along, unaware of the cameras and the motion detectors. The work of the citizen patrol was all done out of sight of these lawbreakers. It was all done with a well thought out plan and $30,000 worth of hi tech equipment.

With photo evidence of all encounters, it will be hard for our "Lawmakers" to keep up these claims of injury and murder being committed by these fine people.

8 posted on 11/24/2002 3:53:03 AM PST by madfly
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9 posted on 11/24/2002 3:56:18 AM PST by madfly
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10 posted on 11/24/2002 3:57:08 AM PST by madfly
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As a Border Patrol Agent, I wholeheartedly support the efforts of Mr. Barnette and other citizens that are giving up their time to patrol the border. The magnitude of the immigration problem definitely requires civilian help.
14 posted on 11/24/2002 4:22:33 AM PST by Ajnin
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It would be a ton easier and make a whole lot more sense to do what
Bush and others have suggested long ago.... Open the borders and
allow easy entry and exit. Promote NAFTA. Let the migrants work
legally, pay taxes and help keep American industry here in the United States.

 

 

24 posted on 11/24/2002 5:12:03 AM PST by Deep_6
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New Mexico state Sen. Mary Jane Garcia said vigilante groups appeal to undereducated young men

Well, Senator, those undereducated young men have sense enough to know what and where the problem is. Too bad you don't seem to know. Now, who's undereducated, Senator? What, if anything, Senator, have you done to stop the problem--the problem of illegals infiltrating across the Mexico border into your state?

Senator, review your Old West history. Many of the communities in the Old West were liberated from outlaws and lawlesness by vigilante groups. Why? Because politicians, like you, Senator, did little or nothing to to rid the communities of the outlaw elements. And yes, Senator, illegals crossing the border are no better than outlaws. They are illegally here--thus lawbreakers; ergo, outlaws. It took vigilantes to settle many of the Old West communities. It appears it will take vigilantes to stop the flood of illegals trampling down the National border. Otherwise, Senator, what are you doing to stop the outlaws?
26 posted on 11/24/2002 5:52:40 AM PST by TomGuy
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Why don't we just give every Mexican a million bucks who agrees to move here? Seriously, it's getting that screwey. Our State Department trawls the World for every kind of Third World refugee. These are not immigrants of old who came here on their own. These refugees are given money to come here and then more money after they settle down. When is this madness going to stop?
27 posted on 11/24/2002 5:53:54 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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Could there be a better example to starkly illustrate the notion that Sovereign Citizenship in a Constitutional Representative Republic is not just an abstract concept?

Confronted with literal Rape, Pillage, Looting and Murder elected officials somberly play a game of "Wag the Dog" and (falsely) believe it is their job to control and rule over the people who pay their salaries and give them their jobs.

I've long held we live in an Age of Converging Inanities and this example certainly demonstrates it clearly.

Best regards,

30 posted on 11/24/2002 6:27:41 AM PST by Copernicus
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For educational and entertainment purposes see how many errors of ommission and commission can be counted in this AP Story:

Click Here For a Guideline

Best regards,

31 posted on 11/24/2002 6:36:46 AM PST by Copernicus
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If American politicians and bureaucrats truly want to discourage vigilantism, they should cease and desist their own ongoing and bipartisan malfeasance with regard to Illegal Aliens.



32 posted on 11/24/2002 6:38:52 AM PST by Sabertooth
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vigilante groups appeal to undereducated young men who feel that state and federal governments haven't done enough to protect towns along the border...boy things are getting tough, I'm undereducated with a graduate degree. Maybe there is a federal subsidy that can get me the education I need. Until then where do I send money to the groups patrolling the border on this side?
35 posted on 11/24/2002 6:49:59 AM PST by RWG
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"Sen. Mary Jane Garcia said vigilante groups appeal to undereducated young men--"

What a biased and ignorant statement.

37 posted on 11/24/2002 6:58:06 AM PST by aeronca
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separate Binational Commission meetings on Monday and Tuesday in Mexico City, high-ranking U.S. officials, including Secretary of State Colin Powell, will hold talks with their Mexican counterparts on what to do about the estimated 3 million Mexicans working illegally in the United States

Follow the Constitution and round them up and send them home.

We can replace them with foreigners that have not broken our immigration laws and who have waited patiently to legally immigrate.

38 posted on 11/24/2002 6:59:56 AM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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Too bad we are not addressing the Mexican vigilantes who rape, pillage and kill the migrants in that inhumane trade of theirs. Man, the world is upside down, the insane are telling us how we should keep our shops.
39 posted on 11/24/2002 7:03:18 AM PST by lavaroise
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New Mexico state Sen. Mary Jane Garcia said vigilante groups appeal to undereducated young men

Funny, I heard many are retired police officers and others who are educated. That means, they're also not "young men." And, if they're property owners protecting their properties and families, they are obviously working and paying taxes....productive US Citizens protecting themselves and their rights under the Consitution.....since our government has seen fit not to follow its prime directive: secure the borders.

44 posted on 11/24/2002 7:20:13 AM PST by nicmarlo
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