U.S., Mexican legislators discuss border vigilantes
Posted on 11/24/2002 2:06:29 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
U.S., Mexican legislators discuss border vigilantes
States may take action against groups that target migrants
11/24/2002
NUEVO LAREDO, Mexico - U.S. and Mexican lawmakers expressed concern Saturday about a growing number of American vigilante groups that capture and sometimes hurt or kill Mexican migrants who cross into the United States illegally.
The fringe groups have sprung up in several border towns in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, where residents frustrated by U.S. border agents' inability to stop illegal migration have taken matters into their own hands, said Arizona state Rep. Robert Cannell.
Mr. Cannell said Arizona legislators will likely take up the issue of vigilante groups during the state's next legislative session. The Democrat said he was "strongly opposed" to the groups.
Mr. Cannell was one of eight U.S. state legislators - three from New Mexico, two from California, two from Arizona, and one from Texas - who joined 38 lawmakers from the six Mexican border states at the third annual legislative border forum in Nuevo Laredo.
In separate Binational Commission meetings on Monday and Tuesday in Mexico City, high-ranking U.S. officials, including Secretary of State Colin Powell, will hold talks with their Mexican counterparts on what to do about the estimated 3 million Mexicans working illegally in the United States.
New Mexico state Sen. Mary Jane Garcia said vigilante groups appeal to undereducated young men who feel that state and federal governments haven't done enough to protect towns along the border. The Democrat said the issue also needed urgent attention in the New Mexico legislature.
Also on Saturday, Chihuahua state lawmaker Cesar Castro Lopez called on investigators from the FBI and Britain's Scotland Yard to help solve the brutal slayings of women in Ciudad Juarez.
More than 75 women have been raped and killed since 1993 in Ciudad Juarez, the border's largest city. Dozens of suspects have been arrested, but bodies have continued to turn up in the desert.
Mr. Castro Lopez said that Mexican state and federal commissions assigned to investigate the crimes have failed to produce any concrete leads.
"It has become a financial issue of vital importance for those who do business on the border," he said, adding that violence in Juarez has begun to affect U.S. commercial interests, thus ensuring that the killings fall under U.S. jurisdiction.
The killings have "ruined the reputation of Ciudad Juarez in the eyes of the world," Mr. Castro Lopez said.
You can bet that the Demonrats will exploit all this to the max. When they have convinced every Hispanic that the GOP is the equivalent of the KKK in its attitudes towards Mexicans and regained power, then they will resume what Slick Willy and Algore were up to in the way of massive immigration schemes of people who may never be other than permanent left. Meanwhile the Demonrats will appeal to the maroons who resist Spanish immigration disfreetly ripping Bush and Republicans out of earshot of the Hispanics. Meanwhile, the folish among the conservatives, denying rea;lity and the inevitability of substantial Mexican immigration one way or the other, will shout no compromise and get their heads handed to them as usual as America becomes Californized (the process by which normally Republican states with many Republican Hispanics are converted to Demonrat playpens by idiots like Planned Brrenhood's favorite governor, Pete Wilson and his rank stupidity in handling the immigration issue.)
When Her Satanic Majesty (Hillary the Magnificent) is ensconced in the White House in her own right, hopefully that will satisfy you and keep your neighborhoods Anglo. NOT.
I will grant you that, of all those who are constantly complaining about Mexican immigration, your posts tend to be well worth reading and are often well-considered. There are ways to accomplish your goals if your goals are to avoid tax burdens.
You also answer questions honestly which can be a rare virtue around here.
More than 75 women have been raped and killed since 1993 in Ciudad Juarez, the border's largest city. Dozens of suspects have been arrested, but bodies have continued to turn up in the desert.
Barf.
Does the AP actually think anyone will believe that American ranchers are crossing into Mexico to rape and murder women?
I'm sure the AP's omsbudman will rapidly issue a clarification to this artless propaganda.
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There's one little problem with that. Visit the La Voz de Aztlan & see why unlimited Mexican immigration is a bad thing.
We all have the basic right to protect our own lives and those of our family, our homes and our property.
How will they legislate these rights away?"
I believe you have more than just the germ of an idea in what you say. I am not a trained lawyer, but there must be some sort of legal recourse for the people of a state or locality, when the government fails to do its job in specific instances, ... in this case, protecting the border from the illegal "Invasion". I would ask any Freeper reading this who is a lawyer or legal scholar, what kind of action is possible, and to please post your opinions, or email me with any contribution you might make.
Once a class action suit, or a ballot initiative, or even just a "focused" grass roots movement, was started in earnest... citizens would be able to have a appropriate channel to support and to get information from regarding the REAL status of the protection of our borders. BUT, and this is a big BUT... any such action, suit, or movement ABSOLUTELY MUST NOT degenerate into a anti Mexican movement. The focus must be narrow and relate only to the protection of the borders and sovereignty of the United States. Already, we see fraudulent attempts at demonization of the citizen's groups that have organized in Cochise County, Arizona so far, if those who are against protecting our borders are allowed success at demonization of any newly established movement, they could derail the whole thing before it can begin to have an effect. The emphasis must be placed on the fact that 60%+ citizens believe that the Federal Government has failed to fulfill its single most important mandate, to protect the borders and citizens of this country.
Rep. Tom Tancredo clearly had taken the lead in this controversy, as he has shown the political courage that is sorely lacking in almost all our other elected representatives. If such a focused movement gets started, Tancredo could be the sponsor for legislation, and would be the prime consultant regarding legal and political issues. This is expanding in my mind as I write this. But, does anyone know of such an initiative already? It is important not to splinterize any nascent movement, and factual information is the best weapon and defense for such a movement, and our borders and nation. Please post any constructive ideas, and contact me if you have answers to the several questions I have posed here. God Bless America.
Does your mother know you are making such a fool of yourself on the web? Take your meds and take your nap.
Years ago I remember Michael Savage reported that Willie Brown, Mayor of Sam Francisco, announced he would FUND illegals with tax payers $ despite the illegality of it. I believe old Willie went as far as saying that SF would be the "home" of illegal aliens.
If elected officials knowingly break our laws, we must have the right to sue. Pressure should be put on state AGs first I think. (The dem ones won't do anything about the fraud anyway, then they can be added to the list of those named in the suit.) Would the ACU (sp?) ake a case such as this?
You guys must be getting all the worst Mexicans. The Mexicans have tripled their population here in Northern Illinois in the last ten years and wind up doing really notorious things like operating their own businesses and running for the state legislature as pro-life, pro-gun, anti-tax candidates. Maybe you should try to be a bit polite and welcome them into your society as fellow Americans to be wooed and won instead of marginalizing them. They are coming anyway.
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