Judge Moore Ain't Removing Ten Commandments (FOX NEWS)

[Dallas]

You gotta love this guy....

[Mark Felton]

I am not a practicing Christian, my wife is Jewish.

[RightFighter]

I wonder if a compromise might be in order. Such as having the text of the Commandments on the monument written in the (what I believe) original Hebrew script.

That way your casual passerby would not likely be able to read it and therefore could not make any complaint about being forced into one religious direction or another by the State.

I don't think they were written in the original Hebrew when they were used as the basis for our law - they had been translated into English many years earlier.

[FreedomCalls]

And here is a wood carving of the Ten Commandments on one of the doors in the United States Supreme Court building in Washington, D.C.

[FreeTally]

Then why are only three commandments actually written into law? Because the other seven are religious commandments that have nothing to do with jurisprudence.

Exactly!

The people who make these claims about our laws being based upon the Ten Commandments make me wonder if they have ever been to a history class or actually know what the Ten Commandments say.

[Kerberos]

"Proof that Judeo-Christian heritage was the Guide for this Country, and no other!

OK, so I get it now. Freedom of religion means freedom to be a Christian, all others need not apply.

Thanks for the clarification.

[OPS4]

They have everything to do with Juris prudence divorce law was predicated on Adultry, Laws Governing theft, coveting the neighbors goods and not stealing, respecting parental rights authority, Laws governing Murder,

The Law is predicated on the Judeo-Christian Bible as all of the Western World has been for over 2000 years!

Ops4 God Bless America!

[E Rocc]

I never said you will find the establishment of a Christian religion in our Constitution. Judeo-Christian values are behind the documents--not written into them overtly. Because religious freedom is a Judeo-Christian value it was completely anathema to our founding fathers to put such references into the Constitution.

"Thou Shalt Have No Other Gods Before Me" is one of the Ten Commandments. It's not one of the "Ten Suggestions". It's mandatory.

Yet according to the laws of this nation, if someone breaks it and someone else tries to physcially enforce it, the police will come after the self-appointed enforcer, not the breaker.

Did the Commandments influence our laws? Yes. Are our laws based upon them as a whole? Absolutely not.

-Eric

[jjm2111]

"Did the crackpot say something about the Ten Commandents offending murderers and thieves?"

Too funny.

[Jael]

This case has a lot of problems that could and should turn it over on appeal anyway.

Morris Dees (infamous pervert, liberal media darling) wrote the following letter which somehow was delivered to Judge Roy Moore. http://www.family.org/cforum/fnif/news/a0022569.html

"You might remember that, from the start, I was laying our trial theme, i.e., how this was the act of a lone religious nut in partnership with a fanatical church,[Dees is talking about Dr. D. James Kennedy and the church he pastors "Dr. D. James Kennedy is the most listened-to Presbyterian minister in the world today." http://www.coralridge.org/default.asp "]

Morris Dees, a lawyer challenging the monument, wrote to Ayesha Khan, a lawyer with Americans United for Separation of Church and State. "This is the story that will make this case so dirty that no appeals court will reverse [the district court judge] to make new law."

The problem with that for Morris Dees and the judge trying the case is serious. The letter implies District Judge Myron Thompson may have already made up his mind about the case even before hearing arguments in the case.

So if there is an appeal, it looks like the antics of the famous pervert Morris Dees could be on trial. (Not the antics in this link http://www.zianet.com/wblase/endtimes/dees1.htm but his behind the scenes dealings with this trial.)

Judge Thompson was asked to recuse himself when this letter was made public but refused.

(from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/791164/posts )

Some interesting comments made by the Judge found here.

http://www.family.org/cforum/citizenmag/webonly/A0022875.html

In fact, U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson explained Wednesday after closing arguments in the case that the central question he’ll address in his ruling, which he promised by Nov. 18, is what Moore hoped would be the focus all along.

“I think I’ll start my opinion,” Thompson said, “ ‘The issue here is, can the state acknowledge God?’ ”

A few facts about the liberal Thompson.

Thompson, who holds bachelor's and law degrees from Yale University, has issued rulings from the federal bench that:

** Held that Alabama's requirement that college sophomores score 16 on the American College Test to be admitted to undergraduate teacher-training programs had racially "disparate impact" in violation of Title VII;

** Approved a settlement that required the Alabama state post-secondary system to appoint more blacks to presidential, faculty, administrative and other supervisory positions through the use of aggressive recruitment and, if necessary, hiring goals;

** Struck down an Alabama law barring gay and lesbian groups on college campuses from receiving public money or official support, saying the law violated the guarantees of free speech and free association.

This judge also denied the State's motions to dismiss a challenge to Alabama's bans on partial-birth and post-viability abortions. http://www.crlp.org/pr_98_0129.html

Judge Myron H.Thompson,
US Courthouse,
15 Lee St.,
Montgomery, AL 36104
Tel: 334 223-7312,
(334) 954-3650

Fax: 334 223-711


Proverbs 29:2  ¶When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

[pollywog]

I would rather win approval in the eyes of my HEAVENLY FATHER any day!! GO JUDGE MOORE !!!

[OPS4]

Judeo_Christian is the term not just Christians. The Hebrew Testament is where the Ten Commandemendts came from.

Other religions can exist but were not the foundation of the very law of the Continental Congress.

Ops4 God Bless America!

[E Rocc]

By the way, most of the country had Blue Laws and stores were closed on Sunday.

And Cleveland, Ohio (as well as a few other Great Lakes cities) basically ignored Prohibition. The Constitution hasn't always been rigorously enforced. Such enforcement is improving.

-Eric

[cake_crumb]

E.Rocc bills him/herself as "a 39 year old libertarian-conservative"...ignore such posters. Their sense of reason and humanity is relative.

[SkyPilot]

It may be arguable whether the judge can post the commandments, but it is clear that they are not the basis for our laws.

How is "it" clear?

Paragraphs upon paragraphs could be cut and pasted dealing with laws, both modern and ancient. I do not see where prove (or attempt to defend) your assertion, other than making the statement above. You could have added: "So it shall written, so it shall be done" to your words, but it does not make it so.

Internet searches are wonderful things. I was helping my eldest daughter tonight on ancient Egypt--and her eyes were wide with all the information available these days. Research that used to require hours in a library is now at our fingertips.

Placing the words "ten commandments" and "basis for law" into Yahoo or any search engine yields many sites. I found it interesting that the one site that agrees with you (that the 10 Commandments are not basis for laws) was written by the ACLU.

This site presents a more balanced view contains quite a good analysis on the subject. Note that this paper was a lecture on the subject first published in 1908.

[pgyanke]

"Oh I see, so it had no relevance to the issue being discussed, freedom of religion."

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Sorry, I didn't recognize who was posting! You were the one I directed my sarcastic remark to... my bad!

It IS a discussion of freedom of religion. Moreso, though, it's a discussion of our nation's heritage.

They go together.

I apologize for not recognizing why you were attempting to discredit my argument.

[Jael]

I think Jefferson only believed parts of the Bible. He saw it as a good moral code but didn't believe in Christ as Christ, the Son of God.

[SupplySider]

Putting aside the constitutional question for a moment, isn't it obviously a good idea for law breakers to be exposed, if briefly, to basic laws of good behavior? I thought the "civil libertarians" were supposed to be pragmatists who are against dogma.

[XJarhead]

Did the Commandments influence our laws? Yes. Are our laws based upon them as a whole? Absolutely not.

Exactly. And yes, we do have laws prohibiting adultery, murder, and theft, and there are Commandments that relate to the underpinnings of those laws. BUT, there are plenty of non-Christian societies that have those same laws. And because those laws exist in the absence of the Ten Commandments, it is incorrect to assume that we have those laws because of the Ten Commandments. We'd have had them anyway even if we weren't Judeo/Christians.

[goodnesswins]

"Complete nonsense. We dont even have rule of law. Probably never really did."

Any semblance of respect for your postings just went out the window.......