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On Law: Gore's beef with the Supreme Court
UPI ^ | November 15, 2002 | Michael Kirkland

Posted on 11/15/2002 4:46:40 PM PST by Mr. Mulliner

On Law: Gore's beef with the Supreme Court

By Michael Kirkland
UPI Legal Affairs Correspondent

Published 11/15/2002 3:48 PM

WASHINGTON, Nov. 15 (UPI) -- Vice President Al Gore, in several interviews to be broadcast and published this weekend, will once again claim that the Supreme Court decision in Bush vs. Gore cost him the 2000 presidential election.

Though Gore may have every right to be aggrieved, the claim about the Supreme Court is simply untrue. In fact, it's been decisively disproved.

But like a particularly feisty vampire, it keeps rising from the grave.

There's no doubt that the decision handed down by the Supreme Court at 10 p.m., Dec. 12, 2000, was deeply flawed.

Remember? It seems as if it happened a long, long time ago, not two short years.

By a 5-4 vote, the justices ended the manual recount in 64 of Florida's 67 counties. That meant Texas Gov. George W. Bush won the popular vote in Florida by less than 600 votes, capturing that state's 25 electoral votes.

Bush was behind a half-million popular votes across the country, but the victory in Florida gave him exactly a one-vote majority in that lavender-dressed grandma of democracy, the Electoral College.

The Texas governor claimed the presidency. Gore took to the courts. The Supreme Court justices decided the election along strictly political lines.

Or did they?

A few months after the election, a media consortium led by the Miami Herald performed an audit of the 2000 Florida vote. The audit received little publicity. Most papers buried it in the back pages.

As expected, the audit showed thousands more people left the state polls at least thinking they had voted for Gore rather than for Bush.

That fact probably caused the television networks initially to predict Gore the winner in Florida, though they had to retract that prediction once it became apparent that the exit poll interviews on which the prediction was based weren't matching up with the official tallies.

What the networks didn't know then was that significant portion of the votes cast for Gore were not being counted.

So far so good for the Gore camp. But the audit also showed an anomaly.

If Gore had prevailed in the Supreme Court, Bush's lead would have increased, not evaporated.

The problem was that the case before the Supreme Court involved recounts ordered in only 64 counties.

The audit demonstrated that if Gore had won everything he wanted from the Supreme Court, including a liberal counting of hanging chads, Bush's statewide lead would have increased from less than 600 to around 1,600.

The votes that would have put Gore over the top weren't even at issue in Bush vs. Gore. Those votes were in the three counties where the manual recount had ostensibly been completed.

The audit said that poll workers in the three counties, all heavily Democratic and overseen by Democratic office holders, missed counting thousands of legitimate Gore votes that should have been tallied no matter what system was being used to keep score.

The thousands of Gore votes missed in those three counties would have been more than enough to wipe out Bush's tiny lead in the remaining 64 counties.

Gore didn't lose the presidency because of a political vote by the Supreme Court. He lost the White House because of the incompetence of a few Democratic controlled poll workers.

Ironic, isn't it?

So did Gore really win the 2000 presidential election? Your guess is as good as mine. Recent estimates say at least 6 million legitimate votes cast in November 2000 were not counted for one reason or another.

So who knows whether Gore or Bush would have won?

When the five conservatives members of the Supreme Court handed down their decision, they knew it was bad law. In fact, they tried to include language in it so that the 5-4 opinion would not become a precedent.

And I'm sure they at least thought they were deciding the election. The majority did make one confident prediction, however,

"After the current counting," the justices said in their opinion, "it is likely legislative bodies nationwide will examine ways to improve the mechanisms and machinery for voting."

That's happened in a few states. If it's happened in the rest of the country, it's not getting much press.

Copyright © 2002 United Press International
 



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: algore; election2000; electionfraud; florida; passthekleenex; recount; soreloserman; spoiledpansy; voterfraud
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Is it just me or does this guy sound equally upset at the Supreme Court and at Al Gore? Typical Democrat attitude these days, no doubt. And now, besides blaming Al Gore and the Supreme Court for their mess, they can blame the voters. They'll eventually manage to blame everyone but themselves.
1 posted on 11/15/2002 4:46:40 PM PST by Mr. Mulliner
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To: Mr. Mulliner
That law school dropout isn't fit to lick Clarence Thomas' shoe, let alone second-guess his legal decisions.

Gore -- mister "No Controlling Legal Authority" -- has already shown his grasp of jurisprudence to be shaky at best.
2 posted on 11/15/2002 4:50:16 PM PST by martin_fierro
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To: Mr. Mulliner
All these interviews AFTER the election are meant for one thing. To bring up the debacle of 2000 and keep in the minds of the Dumocrap faithful that the election was "stolen". They still want to make GWB look like he doesn't belong in the WH.

Forget what the law said in Florida, forget the legislating from the bench of the FSSC, forget that in the end, after all the counts and audits by independent companies

...... GORE STILL LOST.

3 posted on 11/15/2002 4:51:40 PM PST by Pistolshot
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To: Mr. Mulliner
First off, Gore didn't want a recount in all counties. Second, if Gore wanted to get mad at anyone, he should have gotten mad at the Daley plants who wired the ballots. How else could they have gotten so many (and I'm not sure it was many) Buchannan/Gore votes. The idea behind wiring a ballot is that you run a wire through your candidates hole. That way you invalidate the opponents votes and yours are OK. The DimocRAT who obviously wired the ballots punched the wrong hole. Now you might say how can one suspect that the ballots were wired? Look at the facts. Whoever did it realized they made a mistake. They must have called the Gore folks and told them that they messed up. The Gore campaign had a telemarketer in Texarkana calling registered DimocRAT voters in Florida before the polls closed telling them they were disenfranchised. I still believe that there needs to be an investigation of Florida, and I bet it leads right to top of the Gore campaign.
4 posted on 11/15/2002 4:59:53 PM PST by OrioleFan
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To: Pistolshot
Lets hope the Rats make this the issue in 2004. Worked so well in 2002, especially in Florida. Remember that it is Al Gore`s GOD given right to be stupid.
5 posted on 11/15/2002 5:00:26 PM PST by bybybill
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To: Mr. Mulliner
The elephant in the room is and always will be the ongoing history of Democrat vote fraud. The media lackeys do everything to divert attention from this overwhelming fact, that in any close election, a Democrat win will always be suspect, to say the least. So they practice the pre-emptive strike, accusing Republicans of what they themselves do as a matter of course.
6 posted on 11/15/2002 5:00:43 PM PST by Argus
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To: Mr. Mulliner
Looks like this "journalist" is trying to cast doubt on the USSC once again, just in time for Gore's campaign repeat. Even Gore has been on the record since stating reasons why he LOST the election, and none of them had to do with the high court decision.
7 posted on 11/15/2002 5:01:02 PM PST by ladyinred
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Gore's beef with the Supreme Court

The Heck with his "beef" with SCOTUS. How about MY BEEF WITH THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT? Gore tried to cheat, steal, & lie his weaselness into the White House. Go away. You SMELL.

8 posted on 11/15/2002 5:01:14 PM PST by Puppage
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Poetic justice is the sweetest kind of all.

Wonder how wide the margin of victory for Bush would have been if all the demoncraps little ruses in all states had been exposed?
9 posted on 11/15/2002 5:01:17 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell
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To: OrioleFan
And another thing: The networks and Voter News Service were mixed up in the attempt by Gore to steal the election. They consistently called Republican victories late and DimocRAT victories early.
10 posted on 11/15/2002 5:02:21 PM PST by OrioleFan
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To: Mr. Mulliner
When the five conservatives members of the Supreme Court handed down their decision, they knew it was bad law. In fact, they tried to include language in it so that the 5-4 opinion would not become a precedent.

This writer campaigning for "GORE in '04" conveniently fails to mention the 7-2 decision that also would have stopped recounts all by itself. Was that the "equal treatment" decision? I no longer recall.

11 posted on 11/15/2002 5:02:48 PM PST by jimtorr
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I have one more question. Isn't it true that states only count absentee votes if the race is close? If so, GWB might have won on popular vote.
12 posted on 11/15/2002 5:04:54 PM PST by OrioleFan
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To: Argus
You've nailed it. South Dakota is the latest example and Thune and the Republicans were victims. It seems like Thune is laying down way too easy on this one, but I have a feeling that he will be the one to oust Daschle in '04 so something good could come out of it yet.
13 posted on 11/15/2002 5:06:39 PM PST by Mr. Mulliner
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To: jimtorr
I think the 7-2 decision was to uphold the deadline which was less than 24 hours away. If I recall correctly, the two decisions indicated that two supremes were saying that the counts were OK, but would have to be completed within 24 hours (or whenever the deadline was), an impossible task by any measure.
14 posted on 11/15/2002 5:09:27 PM PST by Mr. Mulliner
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To: Mr. Mulliner
The audit said that poll workers in the three counties, all heavily Democratic and overseen by Democratic office holders, missed counting thousands of legitimate Gore votes that should have been tallied no matter what system was being used to keep score.

Maybe I missed something, but I seriously doubt that the Gore lackeys hand counting the votes would have missed "thousands of legitimate Gore votes". If he is referring to the over votes, then they were illegal and therefore illegitimate by definition.

15 posted on 11/15/2002 5:10:27 PM PST by fhayek
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To: OrioleFan
Pat Buchanan got pretty much the same percentage of votes in every Florida county in 2000 that he got in 1996. The whole "I voted for Pat by accident" thing was a total canard. The Gore campaign managed to convince a lot of old people they voted for Buchanan inadvertently, but they didn't.
16 posted on 11/15/2002 5:12:05 PM PST by Timesink
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To: F.J. Mitchell
Wonder how wide the margin of victory for Bush would have been if all the demoncraps little ruses in all states had been exposed?

I know that the popular vote count, at least, was actually much closer that reported. In California alone, there were hundreds of thousands of votes in the presidential election that were never counted at all by the democrapic state government.

The state started the official tally with those precincts that reported first, of course. It happens that nearly all of those precincts are in heavily democratic areas. When it became clear that Algore had enough votes in California to carry the state, they stopped tallying votes in the presidential race.

The precincts that were never counted were those reporting later, which just happened to be largely Republican.

17 posted on 11/15/2002 5:12:43 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: jimtorr
Gore's whining and the alphabet presstitutes fawning over his whine reminds me of a thief who was apprehended stealing from a bank ... and the thief whines, complaining that if he hadn't been apprehended he coulda been a millionaire!
18 posted on 11/15/2002 5:15:01 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Mr. Mulliner

Gore is like the salesman who keeps calling you after you've already bought the other guy's car. Once or twice, you understand it. You're polite, but you hang up. After two years of it, you're ready to call the cops, or the Men In The White Coats.

Normally the media is quite pro-Democratic, but if indeed they are going to provide Al Gore numerous opportunities in the coming weeks to remind us all of his tale of woe, I think they'll be doing the party enormous harm.

This last election should have settled the matter, even for Gore. It's time to go, Al. They bought the other car.


19 posted on 11/15/2002 5:17:15 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Mr. Mulliner
I don't know who this writer is, but his recollection of the facts is different than mine. And his conclusion of what the Supreme Court wrote, and how they decided it is fundamentally wrong.

I will try to remember his name so that I can ignore him in the future.

20 posted on 11/15/2002 5:17:52 PM PST by Dog Gone
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