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Dole Links License To Drug Test
Charlotte Observer ^ | October 30, 2002 | Mark Johnson

Posted on 10/31/2002 4:57:12 AM PST by Wolfie

Dole Links License To Drug Test

Elizabeth Dole wants to require all teenagers to pass a drug test before getting a driver's license. Dole, the Republican U.S. Senate candidate and a former transportation secretary, has promised to push for a federal law pressuring states to enforce such a measure. "Wouldn't that help them understand how important it is to be drug free?" Dole asked at a recent campaign stop in Washington, N.C. "It's not cool (to abuse drugs). It kills."

Then-President Bill Clinton proposed a nearly identical measure in 1996 while campaigning against Dole's husband, former Sen. Bob Dole, and offered federal grants to states the following year. Campaign officials for Elizabeth Dole said they were unaware of the Clinton initiative.

Dole included the pre-license drug test as part of her "Dole Plan for North Carolina" this year, proposing that teens who test positive must complete a drug counseling course and pass a subsequent test before getting a license.

The test could be bypassed. Parents who don't want their children to take a drug test could just say no and waive the requirement, said Mary Brown Brewer, Dole's communications director.

"You can't solely address illegal drugs from the supply side. You have to address it from the demand side," Brewer said. "When you turn 16, you look so forward to getting that driver's license ... This is a pretty strong incentive not to do anything that would prevent you from getting that driver's license."

Dole has made "less government" a campaign mantra, as have many Republicans, which makes it striking that she would embrace an invasive expansion of government duties and authority. Last year, nearly 62,000 N.C. teens got their first driver's license.

A spokesman for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said he was unaware of any states enacting such a program after the Clinton push.

Dole's opponent, Democrat Erskine Bowles, said he would like to talk with law enforcement officials, parents and teenagers before proposing such a measure.

The testing presents practical obstacles and legal questions. State motor vehicles administrations would suddenly face the costs of processing drug tests through a laboratory, not to mention the idea of testing youngsters who haven't been accused of anything. U.S. courts, though, have repeatedly upheld the constitutionality of drug tests.

Several states have zero tolerance laws on alcohol use, requiring that teens lose their license if caught driving with any of alcohol in their blood. The alcohol tests, though, are administered after a youth has been stopped on suspicion of drinking.

Substance-abuse experts said drug testing works as an incentive to keep youths from abusing drugs but likely only until they pass that checkpoint.

"Drug testing has always been a false promise that it would help us somehow by threatening people and make them stop so they wouldn't get into trouble," said John P. Morgan, a physician and City University of New York medical professor who has studied drug testing for 15 years.

He said the vast majority of positive drug tests detect nothing stronger than marijuana, and occasional smokers need only stop for a couple of weeks to pass.

Carl Shantzis, executive director of Substance Abuse Prevention Services in Charlotte, said prevention policy requires follow-up.

"Once teenagers get a license," Shantzis said, "the question is what kind of other incentives are there to keep them from abusing alcohol or other drugs."


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To: steve-b
I get tired of stating the obvious at times. Glad to see others taking up my slack.
121 posted on 10/31/2002 7:28:40 AM PST by philman_36
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To: yendu bwam
Well, that's an incredibly stupid response. The fact is, my kids are endangered in my town by: 1) drunk drivers (five people killed in my town last year from drunk drivers)
Alcohol would clear the body and not show up in a test in less than 24 hours so more than likely they aren't going to discover to many kids on alcohol
2) drivers on drugs (two people killed in my town last year from drivers on drugs)

Were these teenage drivers? If they were, had they used drugs before they got their licenses, or did they start using after they became licensed drivers?
Were all these drunks and druggies even licensed drivers?

3) sexual molestors (including in my Church and in my kids' Church schools) (two homosexual men in my Church and Church school caught for molesting teenage boys - and one boy killed by a molestor at the town carnival by suffocation after being anally raped), 4) people who would encourage my kids to do drugs, (happens all the time at parties in my town and in the schools) 5) people who would encourage my kids to do bad things (a constant difficulty in today's society) 6) violent bullies (two kids attacked in my kids' school), etc. etc. etc.
And this new law that Dole wants would have prevented all these bad things?

We all want our loved ones to be safe but I don't see where this would help.

122 posted on 10/31/2002 7:29:01 AM PST by muggs
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To: APBaer
What if a kid's test reveals a high dosage of Viagra? Will he get his license, conditioned on his driving only a Woodie?

You trying to make passing the test too HARD....

123 posted on 10/31/2002 7:29:18 AM PST by freebilly
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To: yendu bwam
Right! I'm a Stalin or a Hitler because I don't want kids driving around town on drugs and endangering my family. Come back to this universe, there, The Other Harry!

No, you come back.

If someone is operating a vehicle on a federal highway while they are stoned, I think that is the government's business.

But giving pee tests to every adolescent is not the government's business.

124 posted on 10/31/2002 7:29:21 AM PST by The Other Harry
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To: yendu bwam
A person on drugs is unfit to be driving and endangers everyone
125 posted on 10/31/2002 7:31:46 AM PST by kcvl
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To: yendu bwam
They came for the pit bulls
I am not a dog owner , so I did not speak up.

Kind of reminds me of a WWII poem.

126 posted on 10/31/2002 7:32:02 AM PST by Joe Driscoll
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To: philman_36
Is she perhaps kowtowing to the anti-drug lobby called the federal government?

Hey you can call it anything you want, but I know which side you are on.

If you were king all drugs would be legalised and a "paradise" would ensue, kinda of like the liberal democrats thinking that if defense spending was eliminated a "paradise" would ensue.

127 posted on 10/31/2002 7:32:03 AM PST by Dane
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To: Wolfie
When anyone could be a suspect, everyone is . . .
128 posted on 10/31/2002 7:32:21 AM PST by realpatriot71
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To: Illbay
If it is a "major concern" and "politically popular," you have to conclude it is a "major concern" to "most people."
I have to conclude no such thing! Just because it is "politically popular" does not mean it is a "major concern" to "most people."
It is a "major concern" to "pandering politicians".
129 posted on 10/31/2002 7:32:29 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Illbay
The "Drug War" is favored overwhelmingly by the populace

That must be why voters Alaska, Washington state, Oregon, California, Hawaii, Colorado, Nevada and Maine have all voted for anti-Drug-War measures.

130 posted on 10/31/2002 7:33:16 AM PST by Grover_Cleveland
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To: Dane
Do you have any idea of what else she has done concerning citizens of the respective states and their vehicles? I'm not pro drug by any means but this is just another step in her taking over control of my car
131 posted on 10/31/2002 7:33:42 AM PST by billbears
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To: Wolfie
Dole Links License To Drug Test

In search of a campaign. Try again, Liddy.
132 posted on 10/31/2002 7:33:44 AM PST by aruanan
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To: tacticalogic
And if you can't get it enacted at the state level, are you willing to support getting it by federal mandate?

Honestly, tacticalogic, it depends. From a legal perspective, I believe its unconsitutional to force states to do this - unless states are collecting federal funds for roads, and this is made a condition of accepting those funds. States have a right NOT to accept such funds, and to not be mandated about this - unless states' citizens want their states to. The fact is, many voters would rather have their state get millions of federal dollars for roads, even if it meant accepting some federal rules. You obviously don't like that. But if the state's citizens are for that, then I don't see what's unconsitutional about it. It's just a deal between the federal and state governments. - On the moral plane, one has to ask the question - how many people's lives or well-being would actually be saved by such a measure. If you told me that 10,000 kids' lives would be saved by such a measure over the next five years - that would be far, far different from saving 1 kid's life over five years. As I said above, liberarians never understand that some freedoms are inevitably abused - causing death or horrible injury - and that laws meant to prevent such have to be weighed against freedoms taken away. The government (at all levels) does that all the time. We're forced by law to wear seat belts in my state - and thousands of lives (including those of children) have been saved, on average. That's anti-liberatian - but the vast majority of citizens in my state approve, because they know that many lives are being saved. - There is NO inherent constitutional right to not wear seat belts or to be on drugs and get your drivers license. Sorry about that. (NO, actually, I'm not!)

133 posted on 10/31/2002 7:34:09 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: philman_36; Illbay
It is a "major concern" to "pandering politicians".

C'mon, philman_36. Politicans only pander if there are a lot of people to pander to!

134 posted on 10/31/2002 7:35:17 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Joe Driscoll
They came for the pit bulls. I am not a dog owner , so I did not speak up. Kind of reminds me of a WWII poem.

Yeah, right, Joe. A town that wants to prevent an innocent child from again being brutally maimed is juuuuuuuuuuust like the Nazi government... C'mon. Get real.

135 posted on 10/31/2002 7:37:09 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Dane; All
Uh no she is stating that the obvious that drugs in the US have had a devastating effect on the country.
How come nobody posted the thread about the nation being "devastated" (to bring to ruin or desolation by violent action: to reduce to chaos, disorder, or helplessness) by drugs!
136 posted on 10/31/2002 7:37:32 AM PST by philman_36
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To: AAABEST; AppyPappy
A staunch conservative that is gonna vote Dem to punish the Repubs gets banned, but a "moderate" that posts on this site admitted their vote was going to Davis in California on principle and they're still posting here. Hmmm.....
137 posted on 10/31/2002 7:37:41 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: yendu bwam
We're forced by law to wear seat belts in my state - and thousands of lives (including those of children) have been saved, on average. That's anti-liberatian - but the vast majority of citizens in my state approve, because they know that many lives are being saved

Yep, same argument Dolt used when pushing to force the states to accept the seat belt law and same argument she used for airbags. If I want to fly through the windshield in a car accident, that's my choice. I've never worn a seatbelt and I never will

138 posted on 10/31/2002 7:37:47 AM PST by billbears
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To: Wolfie
Well, considering that driving is not a guaranteed right in the Constitution, requiring a drug test is hardly an infringement.

I do, however, believe that the issue is one that should be handled by the individual states and not in a federal venue.

139 posted on 10/31/2002 7:37:56 AM PST by A2J
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To: Illbay
The "Drug War" is favored overwhelmingly by the populace. The fact that you and the other Libertines sit around muttering and moaning about it doesn't change that fact.

80% think it's O.K. to dispense pot for medical purposes, and 72% think people caught with it for recreational use should get off with only a fine... CNN Time poll this last week. But... they only called libertarians I am sure ;)

140 posted on 10/31/2002 7:39:18 AM PST by dogbyte12
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