Sorry this is long, but I had to sign up and post it. It's about science so it isn't as slanted as most NYT garbage. The way I read this story, physicists have mathematically come to a road block to explain what two thirds of the Universe is composed of and even the most "hard-core" scientists are starting to call it "God". My favourite part is the quote at the end.
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To: Riesen Schwanz
I am ashamed that I made spelling mistake (y is missing in mathematically) on my first post.
Please forgive a newbie.
To: Riesen Schwanz
Since the beginning of time, whenever man could not explain something, he attributed it to God.....just because we can't explain it (yet) does not mean that "God" made it....
To: Riesen Schwanz
'Scuze my skepticism, but it seems like they have a long, long way to go before they reach that conclusion.
Right now they are just guessing at what they don't know yet.
Not all that different from aboriginals watching the sun rise.
4 posted on
10/30/2002 8:14:34 AM PST by
El Sordo
To: Riesen Schwanz
Before any claim to have proven the existence of God, most decent scientists would attempt at least a rough definition of what they meant by "God".
5 posted on
10/30/2002 8:15:19 AM PST by
per loin
To: Riesen Schwanz
Rationalism is a funny bedfellow. At one point we deny what we can't see (God) and then as we realize the magnitude and immensity of our own universe we suddenly begin to imagine things that we assume are there by drawing conclusions about our prior understanding of galaxies. In the leap we have of course continued to skip over the notion of God because it doesn't fit into our context. I find it funny that scientists are making philosophical leaps about multiverses simply because we at one time believed there was only one galaxy.
7 posted on
10/30/2002 8:19:25 AM PST by
Frapster
To: Riesen Schwanz
People, without thinking much about it, generally agree that God created the universe; and most people like to believe that God created man in His image, and some believe that God actually sent his Son to live on earth as a human for the purpose of guiding people to everlasting life with God in heaven.
What people haven't seemed to consider is that ... If the universe is infinite, then God must be something greater than infinity; making the concept "God" an indeterminate form in mathematical terms.
Personally, I think there is a God; and I think the best way to live life -- while preparing for (should it exist) an afterlife -- is in wisely using the abilities given individuals by that indeterminate form concept -- God.
Considering the fact that reason is man's greatest ability, the question "What where your achievements?" might be the crucial entrance question at the gate.
To: Riesen Schwanz
"...
physicists have mathematically come to a road block to explain what two thirds of the Universe is composed of..." "Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror, then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part, then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."
I Corinthians 13:12
Oh, to sit (kneel) at the feet of the Master Physicist, and have Him patiently explain what now baffles us...
15 posted on
10/30/2002 8:56:04 AM PST by
Psalm 73
To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow; PatrickHenry
Ping!
19 posted on
10/30/2002 9:04:31 AM PST by
Aracelis
To: Riesen Schwanz
I think I read in Discover about the Cambridge Multiverse Physicist. He is afraid to drive his car at times, fearing that one of his alternative dopplegangers will run down someone performing the same act elsewhere! The article spoke about the photon-slits experiment, which is indeed "spooky" on the surface and could suggest a multiverse.
To: Riesen Schwanz
The Anthropic Principle is usually misunderstood by creationists. Creationists will often cite this principle to "prove" that physicists believe in a Creator God. In fact it has nothing to do with the existence (or non-existence) of God.
Think of a child who says to his mother: "Isn't it an amazing coincidence that you're my mom AND we're also related!" That in a nutshell is the Anthropic Principle. The fact that people are alive studying the universe necessarily implies that the universe is set up to support life. One might as well invoke God to explain the amazing coincidence that every square has four sides.
23 posted on
10/30/2002 9:07:41 AM PST by
PMCarey
To: Riesen Schwanz
placemarker.
33 posted on
10/30/2002 9:46:34 AM PST by
Junior
To: Riesen Schwanz
"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak. As he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
Astronomer Robert Jastrow
To: Riesen Schwanz
So, I didn't fail my physics final because my answers were incorrect,
but rather because the exam was corected in an non-compliant universe.
45 posted on
10/30/2002 11:12:44 AM PST by
APBaer
To: Riesen Schwanz
So, I didn't fail my physics final because my answers were incorrect,
but rather because the exam was corected in an non-compliant universe.
46 posted on
10/30/2002 11:13:54 AM PST by
APBaer
To: Riesen Schwanz
So, I didn't fail my physics final because my answers were incorrect,
but rather because the exam was corected in an non-compliant universe.
47 posted on
10/30/2002 11:15:53 AM PST by
APBaer
To: Riesen Schwanz
"1 + 1 = 2" is a non-material truth limited neither to time nor place. An eternal, spiritual truth must be held in existence by an eternal, spiritual source of truth, a source which everyone calls God. QED.
OK, it's not a strictly mathematical proof.
To: Riesen Schwanz
Link to article:
LINKTitle: "A New View of Our Universe: Only One of Many
55 posted on
10/30/2002 11:45:45 AM PST by
Marianne
To: Riesen Schwanz
I am ashamed that I made spelling mistake (y is missing in mathematically) on my first post.
Please forgive a newbie. All is forgiven J
(I was a "Newbie" once too)
C
Great "First Post"!
To: Riesen Schwanz
That theory asserts that when the universe was less than a trillionth of a trillionth of a second old it underwent a brief hyperexplosive growth spurt fueled by an antigravitational force embedded in space itself Oy vey Hillary...did you yust fart?
To: Riesen Schwanz
Big Bang? You've got to be kidding.
GOD
71 posted on
10/30/2002 2:29:16 PM PST by
Delbert
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