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1 posted on 10/28/2002 11:05:47 PM PST by Destro
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PREVIOUS USE - First used by U.S. forces in Vietnam, BZ group gases were also believed to have been used by Serb forces against Kosovo Albanians in 1999.

2 posted on 10/28/2002 11:06:07 PM PST by Destro
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"May have been BZ"....I am always amazed at the time spent trying to figure out what something was....we will know when the Russians tell us or one of the hostages undergoes testing somewhere else. Even then, it may not be known. I read there was an Australian there. Does anyone know of any other nationalities that were hostages?
4 posted on 10/28/2002 11:18:19 PM PST by TheLion
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Whatever they did, they sent the message that must be sent: "We will neither sympathize nor negotiate with you." Too bad that's the way it has to be, but any other tact will invite more of the same. The only thing terrorist scum understands is to be crushed over and over again until they understand their idealogy is "unfruitful". Dirtbags. /rant
11 posted on 10/29/2002 12:02:34 AM PST by FlyVet
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EFFECTS - Acts on the peripheral autonomic and central nervous systems resulting in loss of motor coordination, memory loss, fainting, dry mouth, irregular heartbeats, nausea, vomiting, hallucinations.

Soon! Coming to a drug dealer near you!

14 posted on 10/29/2002 3:13:46 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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Anyone know what bullets were in the Muslim TERRORIST guns pointed at the hostages?

How about the explosives? Anyone know what explosives were going to be used by the TERRORISTS to slaughter the hostages and destroy the theatre building? Anyone?

Socialism is the worst enemy of mankind. Liberal media is its propaganda delivery system. Blaming the Russian emancipators for this heinous terrorist act is sick - the stuff of Clintons.

15 posted on 10/29/2002 4:05:10 AM PST by Stallone
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JACOBS LADDER, a Hollywood movie "documented" the use of BZ by US Forces in Vietnam. More fiction than fact. Yes, our stateside stockpiles had BZ, but I have no proof it was employed in VN. Wind drift would have caused considerable worry, as it did with herbicide spraying. Pentagon denied it was used in VN.

Was it's use consider? Sure, most weapons were "considered." But actually used? I need to see the proof...

16 posted on 10/29/2002 5:36:11 AM PST by donozark
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How do we pump this stuff into the DNC?
17 posted on 10/29/2002 5:42:06 AM PST by Fighting Irish
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To: Destro
Hundreds of people are alive thanks to Putin's creative thinking. That's all we need to know.

The Russians don't have to tell us what they used.

Would we would share information with them under similar circumstances? Maybe, maybe not. It's Putin's call. Let's respect his right to save his own people from terrorist.

20 posted on 10/29/2002 6:07:48 AM PST by GOPJ
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This whole episode should serve as an unfortunate example to those armchair engineers who suggest "sleeping gas" in airplanes and as a solution to other terrorist attacks. It is impossible to know the result of such chemicals on individual humans, there isn't one dose fits all hence the need for anestheologists in hospitals who administer sush drugs in quantities based on the vital signs of the individual patient. Not that I condemn the Russian actions, the likelyhood of a better outcome was slim and the end result still lies with the terrorists.
23 posted on 10/29/2002 6:22:52 AM PST by chuknospam
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Most likely the agent used was a form of general anesthetic that can be aerasolized as a fine mist, the high casualty rate would be due to the fact that dosage control was for all intents & purposes non-existant and Ivan not having medics at the scene with doses of counter agent, dragging bodies out ,putting them on ambulances,driving to hospital, then not telling the doctors just what the hell it was they were having to deal with.
24 posted on 10/29/2002 6:24:30 AM PST by Nebr FAL owner
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To: Destro; Sawdring; Boyd; Wallaby; unix; struwwelpeter
Trimethylfentanyl
26 posted on 10/29/2002 7:57:39 AM PST by Askel5
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To: Destro
EFFECTS - Acts on the peripheral autonomic and central nervous systems resulting in loss of motor coordination, memory loss, fainting, dry mouth, irregular heartbeats, nausea, vomiting, hallucinations.

Fumes from Old Crusty?

32 posted on 10/29/2002 8:52:29 AM PST by steve-b
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