Muhammad, Malvo May be Connected To Alabama Terror Camp

newscourt.com ^ | 10-24-02 | john pender

[kingfish45n]

newscourt.com - Authorities are investigating into possible ties between John Muhammad, John Lee Malvo and a training camp reportedly linked to Islamic terrorists in Marion, Alabama. European law enforcement officials believe Muslims were using the camp to prepare for a holy war, according to a July 25 2002, report by ABC NEWS.

An investigation by Britain's Scotland Yard led to the discovery of "Camp Ground Zero," in Alabama. Bullet-riddled school buses and police cars with mannequin targets were scattered around the grounds. Inside a large warehouse were shot-up mannequins, in domestic settings, with blood-like stains on them.

Ground Zero's operators - also British - offered world-class training in automatic weapons and urban warfare, supposedly to fight terrorism. Marion police became suspicious of the use of buses and police cars as targets, but the camp owners refused to comment on the matter in July.

"In the United States, it is not illegal for anyone to receive military training, high-grade military training," said Rohan Gunaratna, author of Inside Al Qaeda. We know of a number of cases where Islamic terrorists came and trained in this country in the early 1990s. It is likely that this scale of training is still continuing," Gunaratna said.

The most radical of London's Islamic clerics, Abu Hamza, told ABCNEWS in a July 2002 phone call that America's laws make paramilitary training easy, "like a picnic."

British intelligence officials told ABC NEWS they were examining ties between Hamza, who is said to have recruited alleged "20th hijacker" Zacarias Moussaoui, and Zain-ul-Albidin.

The pressing question for police is whether there is a connection between the camp, John Muhammad and John Malvo.

The credit card that Muhammad allegedly used as a transfer account for the $10 million demanded in ransom by the D.C. snipers belonged to a woman who was killed in a liquor store robbery in Marion, Ala., last month. Police also report that Malvo's DNA was found at the scene of that robbery and murder.

[dalebert]

What do you think it is?

[concerned about politics]

Bullet-riddled school buses and police cars with mannequin targets were scattered around the grounds. Inside a large warehouse were shot-up mannequins, in domestic settings, with blood-like stains on them.

It sounds like an agenda to me. Democrat donors?

I'm soooo glad this turned out to be a left wing muslim sympathizer (like Dashole who is anti-American security).
CNN was just spewing the "white gun toten militia guy" crap, wasn't it? They look like fools right now. I like it!

[Quilla]

There is a possiblity that law enforcement agencies who trained at this facility may have donated (scrapped) police cars to the effort. Marion, AL is a small community. Middle Eastern looking men firing at police cars would have stood out like sore thumbs.

[ChicagahAl]

"To think they assasinated Martin Luther King, but this Farrakhan monster roams free." It has long been suspected that Louie was behind the murder of Malcom X. Just my opinion, but I have always thought that there were blacks who had a lot more to gain from MLK's death than any white people.

[Eowyn-of-Rohan]

interesting. I need to learn more about this Farrakhan guy's history...

[afraidfortherepublic]

John Alan Muhammed and John Lee Malvo shown in a recent family photo provided by Muhhamed's former sister-in-law, Sheron Norman.

[Marysecretary]

I suppose anything is possible but these are blacks, not muslim-looking middle easterners. They're still muslims and as such may have gained favor with the owner of the camp. I guess we'll find out--hopefully, maybe?

[MHGinTN]

The bus driver shot on the steps of his bus sticks in my mind like foul molasses. That man has been portrayed as a family man, he was a black man working a full job, living a middle class American existence. Why would this shooter shoot that black man? The shooter has/had no prior knowledge of that bus driver and has made a widow and orphaned children from their father, with one mindless trigger pull. In a word, hate. I tend toward the belief that black Muslims hate black men who are living the family life and caring for their family within the middle class norms, without relying on 'Islam' to show them the way. Stated another way, the black Muslim population appears to hate black people who do not cower to the black Muslim authority for their protection and meaning. Hate crimes, anyone?

[wzlboy]

[jiggyboy]

Could be that he's Clintoning -- "no, I am not aware of a facility of that nature in Marion (but don't ask me if there's one in [name of bordering town], which is what the Post Office uses as its official address, even though nobody else does)..."

[LS]

I heard her say that, and I don't think she is that dumb. I think she was conflating Montgomery COUNTY with Montgomery Alabama. It sounded idiotic, but no one is that stupid. Are they? Bueller? Anyone?

[Dave S]

It has long been suspected that Louie was behind the murder of Malcom X.

Actually I think the police suspected Louie's former boss, who is now deceased.

[BHud]

Well, come on.
It isn't as if the owners would admit to anything illegal?
What are they gonna say?
"Islamic terrorists? You betcha!! We train em by the hordes!
OBL? Well hell, we drink Budweiser togetehr every tiem he comes thru!!!!!!"
Would be incredible grounds for a law suit.

[Tailgunner Joe]

bttt

[per loin]

The credit card that Muhammad allegedly used as a transfer account for the $10 million demanded in ransom by the D.C. snipers belonged to a woman who was killed in a liquor store robbery in Marion, Ala., last month.

That is widely circulated misinformation. The police chief in Alabama was emphatic in stating that no credit card was stolen in that robbery. To find the real name on that credit card, go here.

A search for that name in Maryland reveals a graduate school student in criminology at the U.of M. who works for the State Commission on Sentencing Guidelines.

BTW, there was a report that the card had been used in Takoma Park, which is near the U of M. That grad student appears to live in Bowie, Maryland, where the kid was shot.