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A Real 100mpg Car You Can't Buy Here!
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Posted on 10/09/2002 7:49:52 PM PDT by John Jamieson

VW Lupo "3 liter":100mph, 4 seats, airbags, automatic transmission, available AC. 78.5mpg city, 104.6mpg highway, 94.5mpg combined. If we can get the sulfur out of US desiel fuel, we could have 'em now!

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To: Jeff Chandler
I think so. There's an old story about it at Popular Mechanics. It's not exactly up my alley...
61 posted on 10/09/2002 9:20:43 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: Chemist_Geek
Yeah, a fifth wheel for a goose-neck.
63 posted on 10/09/2002 9:40:45 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Chemist_Geek
Appears to weigh under 10,000lbs, but not much under. Runs 300HP and 800ft.-lbs at 1440 RPM. Tow weight over 26,000.
64 posted on 10/09/2002 9:47:47 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: John Jamieson
Yeah, so much for the leather seats...
65 posted on 10/09/2002 9:58:24 PM PDT by Vidalia
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To: ALS
I'd rather buy a Vespa. I think they're safer. (and a helluva lot cooler.)
66 posted on 10/09/2002 10:00:34 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: ALS
When I get my unimog, I think I'll be able to fit one of those sardine cans in the back.
67 posted on 10/09/2002 10:07:45 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: MarkL
A small, twin cylinder diesel motor, turning a generator, supplying power to electric motors

would you get good efficiency? I thought you lost energy at each conversion- ie. chemical to mechanical, mechanical to electric.

Thoughts?

68 posted on 10/09/2002 10:18:25 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: John Jamieson

This is the Mercedes-Benz S400 CDI. It's a turbo diesel that is limited by its onboard computer to a top speed of 155 MPH.

Not sure what kind of fuel mileage it gets, but who cares?

69 posted on 10/09/2002 10:21:37 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: nanrod
OK.... Ignorance alert.

I'm stationed over in Germany for my second time and on my seventh year.

These Lupos can easily keep up with my wife's Dodge Grand Caravan during acceleration and can do nearly 200 kph on the autobahn (all of the security guard managers have them).

There are some other VERY suprising little vehicles over here (although none will catch my M3).

We could use more of these city cars in the states (as long as they don't restrict our ability to buy 300hp, 5000lb SUVs for the weekends).
70 posted on 10/09/2002 10:28:49 PM PDT by ChiefKujo
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To: Dog Gone
Cool. A motorcycle with four seats and some sheet metal!

Not much different from any VW....

71 posted on 10/09/2002 11:00:32 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: John Jamieson
One of the problems with marketing diesel cars is that if you refine a barrel of crude oil you get X gallons of gasoline and Y gallons of diesel fuel. If you increase the percentage of cars using diesel, then diesel fuel will be in short supply and increase in price bigtime while gasoline gets cheaper. If americans bought diesels in large numbers we would need more crude to make more diesel fuel rather than using whats left over from making gasoline.

Diesel engines aren't known for being short lived.
Ever hear of a gm 5.7 liter diesel?

72 posted on 10/09/2002 11:26:41 PM PDT by Slewfoot
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To: copycat
Go for the Golf TDI with biodiesel...

Go for a Golf GTI VR6 with nitrous... it's funny how everyone else looks like they're standing still when you pass them at 120

73 posted on 10/09/2002 11:31:20 PM PDT by fire_eye
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To: Slewfoot
"Ever hear of a gm 5.7 liter diesel?"

Yes, I have owned two. One lived and one didn't. I don't think modern diesels have that problem.

The balance of gasoline to diesel might be a problem, the ratio is somewhat flexible; Europe seems to deal with it allright. 1,000 miles on 10 gallons seems really neat to me.

Turbo charging direct injection gas engines also provide increased efficency. Asymetrical compression ratios can also increase gasoline engine efficency to diesel levels. Not all cars have to be the same.
74 posted on 10/09/2002 11:50:34 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: Tony in Hawaii
All bet it's quite good!
75 posted on 10/09/2002 11:55:53 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: Dog Gone
Cool. A motorcycle with four seats and some sheet metal!



Separated at birth?
76 posted on 10/10/2002 12:10:18 AM PDT by lump in the melting pot
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To: fourdeuce82d; MarkL
The extra conversions do indeed dissipate more energy than direct drive (actually of course, through a transmission).

The two principal reasons that the electric drive system is used in railroad locomotives are

1) The great difficulty of transmitting 1000-6000 HP from the chassis to the axles, which are on trucks that move with at least three degrees of freedom with respect to the frame.

(Consider a complex set of splined shafts and universal joints in the 1000 HP range, in comparison to a couple of 2" diameter braided wires.)

Electrical transmission beats any purely mechanical kludge so much in reliability and maintainability that the railroads accept the complexity of the electric components, and the conversion losses.*

2) Ease of controlling speed and torque at the high power levels involved. The electrical speed control systems at the time of diesel-electric widescale introduction (at the end of the 1930's) were already more than competitive with any equivalent mechanical clutch/torque converter/transmission. The gap probably widened in the ensuing 60 years, with the development of increasingly sophisticated solid state power control.

In addition, the newer generation of locomotives feature computer-controlled traction maximization, which would be much harder to do in the mechanical domain.

Note that in automotive use, the problem of transferring torque to the axles is less complex, partly because of the lower power levels, and partly due to the smaller relative motions.

A secondary reason for going to the hybrid auto is to put an electric motor at each wheel, simplifying the suspension and allowing better traction control (as mentioned above for modern locomotives).

The more important reason for the hybrid, however, is to allow the internal combustion engine to shut down for various periods of time, to avoid wasting fuel at idle or very low speeds. An additional benefit is that the engine can be designed to run at a single RPM for maximum efficiency. The tradeoff to get this gain is the cost and weight of the battery required.

*- A German firm makes a diesel-hydraulic locomotive that has advantages similar to the diesel-electric. A US railroad tried a few about 20 years ago but eventually got rid of them. Some observers claim that the main problem was the unfamiliarity of the railroad's mechanics with the technology. Since that time, the advances in electric traction control can probably not be duplicated well in the hydraulic domain, leaving diesel-electric the technology of choice.

Unless you have catenary available, of course, in which case you just leave the diesel part off <)B^).

77 posted on 10/10/2002 12:15:14 AM PDT by Erasmus
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To: John Jamieson
You make a lot of sense, must be your engineering background. I get really frustrated with these pie-in-the-sky hydrogen-vehicle hype mongers who don't understand that, as you said, there is no "unburned" hydrogen on earth (hydrogen is merely a battery, not a fuel).
79 posted on 10/10/2002 6:52:08 AM PDT by Petronski
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To: Chemist_Geek
Yes, it's real. A Peterbuilt SUV.

I LIKE IT!!!!

80 posted on 10/10/2002 6:56:50 AM PDT by LibKill
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