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1 posted on 10/07/2002 1:42:42 PM PDT by sourcery
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2 posted on 10/07/2002 1:49:20 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: sourcery
Started to read this, then realized that none of this would have any meaning by next year. Not that it means anything now. Should I get a cellphone? Or maybe just get a job with the phone company?
3 posted on 10/07/2002 1:50:06 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: sourcery
Does this mean that the FCC is actually doing the right thing for a change?
5 posted on 10/07/2002 1:53:33 PM PDT by tom paine 2
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To: sourcery
Yea, what he said.
6 posted on 10/07/2002 2:01:31 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: sourcery
YAWN..........

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7 posted on 10/07/2002 2:02:23 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: sourcery
I read this yesterday on Den Beste's blog. Fantastically succint and penetrating analyis of the cell phone protocol wars. Like Den Beste, I well remember when a funeral dirge was being played in Europe for the stupid American companies who were letting petty competitive squabbles prevent them from "servicing their customers."

CDMA vs. GSM/TDMA is a perfect case study to prove the superiority of competitive markets over imposed "solutions" to technical complexities. It should --- and no doubt will --- be studied in business schools around the world.

Den Beste is a must read in the blogosphere. He has a seemingly unending range of interests and always presents his opinion with admirable mental discipline, rationality and cajones.

9 posted on 10/07/2002 2:09:28 PM PDT by beckett
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To: sourcery
We now have just as good of nationwide systems and just as much portability as the Europeans do, only our system is fundamentally better. GSM has many features which are marvelous, but they can eventually be grafted onto IS-95 and CDMA2K, because they're all implemented at high protocol levels or don't have anything to do with the RF link.

I agree that, technologically, CDMA is a superior standard. However, there are two aspects about GSM - which I absolutely love - that I think need to be implemented in some form in the US.

First, we need SMS. As the quote above states, it could be grafted onto CDMA. Well, it's about time to do it. When I'm abroad on my GSM phone, I can send a text message to anyone in the world...except for Americans. (T-Mobile customers excluded.)

Second, the SIM card/subscriber module in my belief is vastly superior to the phones issued by carriers in the US. If I like a GSM phone I see on the web, I can buy it. All I need to do is pop my SIM card in the back, and the phone is "mine." Additionally, I was travelling in Europe and my old Ericsson phone died. I was able to pop out the chip, place it in a new phone, and I was good to go. Definitely NOT that easy with the way things work in the US today. There is no "free market" for phones.

CDMA is technologically superior, but it could learn a couple of lessons from GSM.
10 posted on 10/07/2002 2:10:43 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: sourcery
Would it be rude to ask why the only calls I get where I experience low volume, breakup, cut-offs and the like are from Sprint customers? I never have problems with Cingular.
11 posted on 10/07/2002 2:14:00 PM PDT by js1138
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To: sourcery
So...should I buy more Qualcomm or sell what I have?
12 posted on 10/07/2002 3:26:19 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: sourcery
If you investigate, I think you'll find that Hedy Lamar came up with the idea for CDMA & TDMA. She failed to take a patent on it and later sued to get rights recognized but lost and died penniless in Palm Springs.
16 posted on 10/07/2002 4:30:52 PM PDT by imawit
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To: sourcery
.. the initial standard included both 8K and 13K codecs (which respectively use 9600 baud and 14,400 baud). So when higher data rates were desired, it was possible to augment the cell and create new cell phones which could transmit 56 kilobits per second...

Little wonder why narrowband FM on 12.5 KHz channels still sounds better than this digital crap.

21 posted on 10/07/2002 7:32:09 PM PDT by TechJunkYard
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To: sourcery
There are two other nationwide cellular systems: AT&T currently uses IS-136 TDMA, which is obsolete and has no upgrade path. Cingular uses GSM, a more sophisticated form of TDMA from Europe.
A man not in complete possesion of the facts.

AT&T Wireless has begun rolling out GPRS (the next evolutionary step in GSM called GPRS - 'general packet radio service') and in some areas (like Dallas Ft. Worth) they have completed this roll-out.

Just a few years back Southwestern Bell Mobile Systems (now in the Cingular camp) was using IS-54/IS-136 TDMA systems as well so THEY have also begun or completed migration to a GSM-compatible format as well ...

25 posted on 10/07/2002 7:49:09 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: sourcery
This man is clearly *NOT* in possession of all the facts ...
GSM was clearly superior to IS-136
A blanket statement without technical merit.

There are trade-offs with either air-interface standard.

The big benefit of IS-136 and it's *predecersor* IS-54 is the compatibility in a 30 KHz channel step analog network which is being upgraded ... this extends to the infrastructure equipment such as combiners as well as the integrability with standard frequency plans.

or such abortions as IDEN (a Motorola design which never became an industry standard because Moto was never willing to license it, which meant that systems which adopted it could only get infrastructure and handsets from Motorola).
Tell that to Nextel who is happy doing business with Moto and gobbling up market share with their *unique* Iden radio system that has a '2-way' radio (push to talk) feature that is extremely useful and loads the network EXTREMELY LIGHTLY (making it VERY efficient for Nextel to operate compared carrying a bunch of continuous 'cellular calls') ...

Again, this man is not in complete possession of the facts ...

26 posted on 10/07/2002 8:00:28 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: sourcery
Say what you want, and he certainly said a lot, but even with recent advances in cell phones here in the U.S., I am still using a phone that would be laughed at as out-of-date if I were to wip it out in China.

As for signal quality, the U.S. is the worst by far. On this point, no matter what technology advances the author talks about are mute points. You can have the best system in the world "called Code Division Multiple Access, or CDMA" and if you can't pick up a signal you might as well toss the phone.

No where in the world do I experience the lousy signal that I do here in the U.S. Even in the interior cities of China I can hold a signal on an elevator ride up seven floors (granted, by the 7th floor I am holding the antenna closer to where the doors part). In the U.S. you better pull over if you call is clear.

I laugh every time I hear a Talk Show host say, I'm sorry, your cell phone is breaking up. I could call that same show on my cell phone from under the Hong Kong harbor (literally) or from anywhere in Mainland China, Australia or Europe and the host would think I was in the next room.

Other major failings in the U.S. are the lack of a sim card that can be switched from phone to phone.

-How many times have I used my card in a coworkers friend because my battery went dead (even switching between brands).

-Go to Hong Kong or Australia and you can buy a cell phone phone card. Just punch out a little card board sim card, slap it in your phone, dial a toll free number and you are assigned a phone number for 3 months or until your paid for service is used up - all with your own phone (phones for the U.S. excluded, they are not on GSM).

-Finally, and once again, the U.S. is on a different system than everyone else. Pay a ton for a phone here and it won't work anywhere else in the world.

Maybe the last point will change if as the author say Europe is rushing to the new system. But for now, the differences in the U.S. cell phone service all suck.

30 posted on 10/07/2002 8:24:59 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: sourcery
Who invented CD and MA?
33 posted on 10/07/2002 8:51:52 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: sourcery
Very interesting article. I have a few comments.

When GTE Mobilnet went digital here in Texas about 8 years ago, they went CDMA and I got a Motorola CDMA-type Startac.

Then, about 3 years ago when GTE Mobilnet merged into Cingular, they ripped out the CDMA infrastructure and went to TDMA. (Note that the article says Cingular went GSM, but that's not the case in Texas.)

Now, I worked for Motorola since before there were cellphones and followed their development from the beginning. Although Motorola was slow--disastrously slow, as it turned out--to switch their product line to digital, they were an early exponent of CDMA. (They also faced reality and actively developed and promoted GSM products in Europe.)

I was puzzled why Cingular took this apparent step backward, from CDMA to TDMA; I must assume that there was much more TDMA infrastructure in place among the companies that made up Cingular, and therefore the CDMA companies had to switch.

I had to get Cingular to change out not only my phone but also my permanent car adapter kit. And for the first time, I had to go to Motorola's (conquering) enemy, Nokia, for the phone.

Now, I'm wondering if Cingular will eventually scrap their TDMA and go to 3G (CDMA2K). I kind of hope so, at least if they'll swap my phone again
<)B^).

As to the voice quality, there is a tradeoff between clarity (and reliability) of calls on the one hand, and the battery consumption and number of available conversations on a channel, on the other. The engineers designing the digital systems (of whatever type) did a great deal of experimentation to see how not to give any more audio quality than analog systems, so that they could maximize the number of channels that a given site, and a given number of channels, could support.

In my experience and 'umble opinion, they shortchanged us a bit on the quality.

One final comment about the way technical standards are set in different areas of the world.

The author makes the point that the uniform and orderly adoption of an early digital cellular standard in Europe was both a blessing and a curse.

Something like this occurred with regard to high-definition TV in Japan. Like Europe, Japan has an infrastructure for making national technical decisions that is politically stronger than in the U.S. Like Europe with digital cellphones, Japan came to an early consensus on how they would implement a high-definition TV system. The US, on the other hand, had a comparatively messy and slow pluralistic approach. Well, something funny happened after the Japanese decided on their system, which was analog: namely, affordable massive digital computing power. So the US eventually adopted a digital HDTV standard, which essentially obsoleted the Japanese approach.

38 posted on 10/07/2002 9:05:30 PM PDT by Erasmus
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To: sourcery
The #1 product consumed by AND manufactured by Americans....phone minutes.< /sarcasm >
47 posted on 10/07/2002 9:22:15 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: sourcery; *tech_index; Mathlete; Apple Pan Dowdy; grundle; beckett; billorites; One More Time; ...
Thanks for posting this.

I skimmed thru it last night and found it to be very interesting!

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77 posted on 10/07/2002 11:24:51 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: FairOpinion

an oldie; technology related. wandered in here a few minutes ago.


85 posted on 05/18/2005 2:34:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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CDMA Development Group
http://www.cdg.org/index.asp


86 posted on 05/18/2005 2:46:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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