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Does Anyone know what's going on with the Supreme Court RE: NJ
10/5/02 | Grammymoon

Posted on 10/05/2002 8:43:12 AM PDT by grammymoon

I haven't seen or heard a word about developments. Any news here?


TOPICS: US: New Jersey; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: newjerseyelection; supremecourt
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To: grammymoon
But Soulter?

Souter only rules, as the emergency judge, whether to issue an injunction to stop ballot printing until the court can decide. HE HAS NOT DONE SO, and instead he deferered the decision on the request for stay to the full court.

One could say as a left leaning judge that he is purposefully allowing the SCONJ decision to take root. I hope they're not printing ballots on the weekend.

They usually take 24-48 hours, so we should hear something today...(fingers crossed)

21 posted on 10/05/2002 9:10:59 AM PDT by copycat
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To: randita; grammymoon
Some Links:

Vote your opinions here:

Should the Democratic Party Be Able to Replace Robert Torricelli's Name On the Ballot?

Articles here:

The Old Switcheroo

NJ: Property of the Democratic Party

22 posted on 10/05/2002 9:11:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: templar
If the supremes aren't given reason to find jurisdiction in this case, they will have to refuse it. Hope the Repubs have some legal sense in this matter.

SCOTUS could order the SCONJ decision reversed and Torricelli's name on the ballot, order the ballots printed by Fri, and set the election date for 35 days after that.

23 posted on 10/05/2002 9:12:51 AM PDT by copycat
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To: copycat
They usually take 24-48 hours, so we should hear something today...(fingers crossed)

Yeah, it really makes you wonder how the NJSC was able to rule so quickly...almost as if they planned the whole thing, but they wouldn't dishonor the RAT party with shenanigans like that (/sarcams)

24 posted on 10/05/2002 9:13:47 AM PDT by for-q-clinton
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To: for-q-clinton
Read what the Democrats and Republicans have filed with the Supreme Court here:

http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/election2002/#forrester

25 posted on 10/05/2002 9:15:04 AM PDT by justshe
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To: for-q-clinton
You may be right, but isn't the Senate ultimately a national office? Things they vote for up there on the Hill have an effect on all of us! Think of what Jumpin Jim did to all of us!
26 posted on 10/05/2002 9:15:05 AM PDT by ladyinred
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To: rwfromkansas
I wonder if we have any Freeper SC clerks...they may provide some insight.

If we do have any, I certainly hope they don't provide any "insight".

This would probably be the fastest way possible for them to become ex-SC Clerks.

27 posted on 10/05/2002 9:15:33 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: rwfromkansas
I wonder if we have any Freeper SC clerks..

Yeah...Coulter might know but she's got other things cooking right now ;-)

Anybody got a direct hotline to Ann?

28 posted on 10/05/2002 9:21:25 AM PDT by evad
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To: ladyinred
You may be right, but isn't the Senate ultimately a national office? Things they vote for up there on the Hill have an effect on all of us! Think of what Jumpin Jim did to all of us!

In one sense it is, but in another it is not. The senator of NJ represents NJ. Just as your local congresscritter is supposed to represent your district (not even your state), but their votes impact the entire country. Whichever way the ruling goes, I'm sure there will be plenty of hairs to split so the RATs will be able to make a semi coherant argument against us and we can do the same. Let's face it, whenever a court can rule 51 days doesn't mean 51 days, anything is possible. So an issue of is the election of a senator a state issue or Federal issue is clearly on the murky side. Sure the fed gives guidance, but the real rules for election of senators are set by states. For example, LA votes has one of those need 50% to win systems or their's a run-off election (BTW: if that happens and the senate is even...you'll see the nastiest campaign ever in that run-off).

29 posted on 10/05/2002 9:23:07 AM PDT by for-q-clinton
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To: grammymoon
Justice Souter is now out of the loop on the New Jersey case as the "Circuit Justice" for that state. The whole Court now has the case. If any five Justices decide to issue an injunction because the NJ SC violated the US Constitution by rewriting the NJ election laws, they will do so.

If there is going to be an immediate reversal and injunction, it will most likely come down TODAY. If nothing happens today, the Court almost never acts on Sunday. After that, it is Monday morning, or not at all.

Keep in mind that the US SC has one option the lamestream media have not considered. And it happens to be the one option which can get the needed long-term results of both controlling run-away state judges AND preventing the "go-to-court" backlash against Forrester. It is this:

The Court can deny the injunction and allow the NJ election to proceed. But it can hen decide in due time that the NJ SC was wrong, and lay down the law that ALL state courts must obey the Constitution (which the Constitution commits to the "legislatures," not to the "states" -- including their judges). That will leave a very messy problem if Lautenberg wins, but not if Forrester wins.

There is some truth in the turn-of-the-century comment of Mr. Dooley, a New York pol, "Th' Supreme Court follows th' illicition returns." The Court may reason politically, not judicially, and decide to hold off now but slam the NJ SC AFTER the election. That gives the best chance that Forrester will win. And that, in turn, defangs the claim that "The Supreme Court shouldn't decide elections."

The charge is baseless concerning 2000, since a bazillion recounts all showed that Bush won Florida, and therefore the election. But the charge cannot even be made if the Court holds off now about the New Jersey Supreme Court, but slams them after the election.

Congressman Billybob

Click for "Til Death Do Us Part."

Click for "to Restore Trust in America"

Click for "Death as a Political Strategy"

30 posted on 10/05/2002 9:23:17 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: rwfromkansas
My sense in this is that the democrats have anticipated the inaction by the SCOTUS, due to SCOTUS very busy scheduling this docket. It is telling that the despotic democrats will depend on their shills at the NJSC so securely that they have already spent money printing and distributing 'new' campaign signs, new ballots, etc. What they began in Florida (usurping the seraration of powers and exploiting socialist/liberal shills on high court benches they control)they intend to exploit continuously for as long as the SCOTUS allows by thier inaction. The despots are winning because good men/women do nothing and there are so few good men and women awake to the perils of despotic democrat rule. [Yes, RULE, for the democrats show every intention of ruling by any means rather than recognizing the sovereignty of the electorate ... you vote for any democrat candidate, you've voted only for the despotic party because if one candidate isn't making the grade the despots change the name and expect the vote to ride along with it. If the SCOTUS doesn't vacate this blatant illegal power grab that so clearly disenfranchises numerous groups, then this nation is no longer a Republic, it is a battle ground over which the despots wage campaigns to circumvent any laws that get in their way and the SCOTUS has proven their irrelevance.]
31 posted on 10/05/2002 9:26:29 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
Don't forget, the deadline for toricelli to resign his senate seat and have the governor appoint a replacement is today. If there is no decision by tonight, that window will pass also, denying the rats their last "ace up their sleeve". I think the SCOTUS will rule quickly, Monday or Tuesday, after the deadline has passed.
32 posted on 10/05/2002 9:34:52 AM PDT by NRA1776
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To: justshe
Excellent link. Thank you. The most interesting thing I found out based on their case is that the 35 day absentee voting rule really isn't a date set by congress or the constitution, but rather the courts have set that date.

In a ruling against Florida in 1980 the fed courts said their 20 day window to mail out ballots wasn't long enough to give absentee voters enough time to ensure their votes. Floriduh said ok is 35 good and it was acceptable. Later they tried to change it to 30 days and the courts said nope it will disenfranchise abesentee voters. But Floriduh argued that the 35 day window forces their Primaries to be in July when many voters are on vacation which DOES disenfranchise more voters than are absentee voters. But as I already mentioned the fed courts said they couldn't shorten it to 30 days to ensure more voters could participate in primaries.

Well, this does look like good news. Of course, the courts could say with improvements in shipping mail the window can be shortened to 20 days (since it isn't a law that saw 35 days, but rather a court ruling based on 1980 mail delivery schedules).

Isn't it ironic, how we are using the 35 day window set by courts against another court that completely ignored the law of a 51 day window? It really shows you where the power in the country is.

33 posted on 10/05/2002 9:36:32 AM PDT by for-q-clinton
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To: NRA1776
Careful! Deadlines mean nothing to despots and the democrat governorship in NJ insures the RATS can and will do as they damn well please.
34 posted on 10/05/2002 9:37:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: NRA1776
A very insightful point....although I have been hoping their decision is released today....perhaps it would be better suited for rlease later so the DNC cannot try to upset the applecart one more time.
35 posted on 10/05/2002 9:39:22 AM PDT by Laverne
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To: for-q-clinton
Agreed. And, there have been two states where the court ordered 35 day 'window' was enforced--by the courts. Florida AND Wisconsin, IIRC. Once could be a 'fluke'.....twice is getting close to precendent, imo.
36 posted on 10/05/2002 9:41:46 AM PDT by justshe
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To: Laverne
I am sure they will still try at least one more time before this mess is struck down.
37 posted on 10/05/2002 9:42:33 AM PDT by NRA1776
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To: Congressman Billybob
Why is Souter 'out of the loop' now? Is it because he asked for a Dem response? I am confused as to what changed from the time he "was in the loop" initially, and now.

And since you understand this much better than I, can you clarify the 'steps' involved? Does 'cert' have to be granted prior to a 'stay'? Or can a 'stay be issued, while deciding 'cert'? Thanks.
38 posted on 10/05/2002 9:47:41 AM PDT by justshe
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To: NRA1776
Don't forget, the deadline for toricelli to resign his senate seat and have the governor appoint a replacement is today...

This possibility is not very likely IMO... he'll forfeit $74k a year if he does that:
Sen. Robert Torricelli, D-N.J., will receive a federal pension of more than $74,000 a year when he leaves the Senate in January, according to a government watchdog organization that tracks congressional pay.
Torricelli in line for pension

Over the next 30 years, Torricelli should receive about $ 4.7 million in pension payments, according to the National Taxpayers Union.


39 posted on 10/05/2002 9:48:01 AM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: NRA1776
No matter what the RATs have won this issue (politically speaking of course).

If they get to switch candidates, their decision is valid and they have a better chance to win NJ. If they lose the decision then that increases the RAT turnout across the country allowing them to win a couple of close seats.

We have been played. The only thing that could hurt them would be a backlash, but that won't happen with the liberal press on their side. It was a very safe bet for them to play. And it was a played masterfully.

Oh ya, it could never have worked if the NJSC wasn't on their side and they knew in advance that they'd rule very quickly in their favor. This is why they avoided the district courts and went right to the NJSC.

40 posted on 10/05/2002 9:49:11 AM PDT by for-q-clinton
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