Big Brother's national ID card

The Washington Times ^ | 10/5/2002 | House Editorial

[xsysmgr]

A national Identification card

[independentmind]

I will never carry such a card. If the politicians in D.C. want to be kicked out all at once, I suggest they try to enact such legislation.

[backhoe]

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[Mark Felton]

This is cosponsored by Rep Davis, Tom (REPUBLICAN).

[jrg]

Here's what I see coming down the road....Automobile license plates equipped with embeddid RFID tags. Any police car equipped with a long range scanner, (either in the front grill of the car, or a handheld device), simply hits a button and all of your info is fed into their laptops (which all cop cars have), and instantly, everything about you is displayed.

[jrg]

Or, to go a step further, RFID tags in the license itself. Then, from a distance, you can be scanned without your knowledge.

[Ranger Drew]

Republicans - Democrats. ...Not a dime's worth of difference. ...Most of them being corrupt globalists, and those who aren't, either go along to get along, or are powerless to begin with.

[verity]

I will never carry such a card.

If you resist, you will have a forcible rectal implant. :~)

[independentmind]

Any chance that Felton is from a district with a lot of high-tech companies. They are the ones who are really pushing this.

[Mark Felton]

This is how they make it happen. It has NOTHING to do with the Constitution. This IS unconstitutional but the State will go along with it, here's why (from the text of the legislation):

"(d) GRANTS-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary may make grants to each State to assist the State in developing and implementing a driver's license and identification card program that meet the requirements of subsection (b).

(2) GRANTS FOR LINKING OF STATE MOTOR VEHICLE DATABASES- The Secretary may make separate grants under this subsection to each State to assist the State in developing and implementing computer technologies and databases required to link State motor vehicle databases under subsection (b)(3)."

`(3) APPLICATIONS- A State seeking a grant under this subsection shall submit to the Secretary an application that is in such form and contains such information as the Secretary may require. The Secretary shall evaluate such applications in the order received and award grants upon approval of an application.

`(4) FEDERAL SHARE- The Federal share of the cost of activities funded using amounts from a grant received by a State under this subsection shall be 100 percent or a lesser percentage determined by the Secretary.

`(5) TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FROM GSA- For purposes of section 201(a) of the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act of 1949 (40 U.S.C. 481(a)), a State carrying out activities using amounts from a grant under this section shall be treated as an executive agency and part of the Department of Transportation when carrying out such activities. For purposes of carrying out such activities, the Secretary shall, at the request of a State, enter into an agreement for the acquisition, on behalf of the State, of any goods, services, or supplies available to the Secretary from the General Services Administration, including acquisitions from prime venders. All such acquisitions shall be undertaken through the most efficient and speedy means practicable, including through electronic ordering arrangements.

`(6) REPORTS- The Secretary shall require a State that receives a grant under this subsection to submit to the Secretary, not later than 1 year after the date of implementation of the activities funded using the amounts of the grant, a report on the results of the activities.

`(7) REPAYMENT-

`(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in subparagraph (B), if the Secretary determines that a State receiving a grant under this subsection has not met the requirements of subsection (b) on or before the last day of the 5-year period beginning on the date of enactment of this section, the Secretary may require the State to repay, in whole or in part, the total amount received by the State in grants under this subsection.

`(B) GRANTS FOR LINKING OF STATE MOTOR VEHICLE DATABASES- In the case of a grant received under paragraph (2), if the Secretary determines that a State receiving the grant has not met the requirements of subsection (b)(3) on or before the last day of the 5-year period beginning on the date of enactment of this section, the Secretary may require the State to repay, in whole or in part, the total amount received by the State in grants under paragraph (2).

`(8) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated--

`(A) $100,000,000 for making grants under paragraph (1); and

`(B) $200,000,000 for making grants under paragraph (2).

[marktwain]

Consider the power this gives the state. With asset forfeiture already in place, your entire assets can be seized just by knowing your identity. It will be effectively illegal for you to have any assets that the state cannot confiscate immediately.

[Mark Felton]

I didn't mention that this was sponsored by a REPUBLICAN as a means of selling the idea. It is a despicable idea. The Republican party is a party of bourgoisie socialists (modern conservatives if you like).

Besides where I'm from we live off of NASA contracts.

[grania]

I will never carry such a card. If the politicians in D.C. want to be kicked out all at once, I suggest they try to enact such legislation

You're an optimist. People are conditioned to accept just about any infringement on freedom in the names of fighting terrorism and personal safety.

[Mark Felton]

This is where the companies pushing the bill get their quick pay-off.

--- excerpt ---

SEC. 5. INNOVATIVE USES PILOT PROGRAM.

(a) IN GENERAL- The National Science Foundation may make grants to States for the implementation of programs that utilize computer chips embedded in drivers' licenses and identification cards (as such terms are defined in section 165 of title 23, United States Code) for innovative uses that enhance government services.

(b) INNOVATIVE USES- The innovative uses referred to in subsection (a) may include the issuance of food stamps, voter registration, and other digital government applications that streamline and simplify State services to residents, including uses authorized under the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act (15 U.S.C. 7001 et seq.).

(c) FEDERAL SHARE- The Federal share of the cost of activities funded using amounts from a grant received under this section shall not exceed 50 percent.

(d) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated for making grants under this section $15,000,000. Such sums shall remain available until expended.

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[Enemy Of The State]

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[shrinkermd]

Something must be wrong here. A national ID card would prevent voter fraud, permit easy detection of illegal aliens and could have a coded system such that your medical history was portable and centralized. Also, felony convictions and probation status could similarly be coded.

Seemingly, all posters on this subject so far are convinced it would be used in nefarious ways. You already have a driver's license and you use it routinely for identification and check cashing. How many of you have been treated illegally by the government for having a driver's license?

It would be a relatively simple matter to prevent illicit use of such a card with technology and tough, criminal consequences for those who abused it.

[fogarty]

Or how about a step even further, how about RFID tags embedded in every American citizens' skin. That way no citizen ever loses their ID card. You could even link it to the financial systems so that no one could buy or sell without having it. This would ensure compliance. Hmm...

Who would have thought this signs would come to pass under a Republican administration...under a Christian president.

[marktwain]

I suggest you consider the history of the last century and *try* to be so optimistic. Governments routinely abuse their powers and conceal the results. Show me how Clinton's abuse of the IRS in the last administration is being prosecuted, show me the high FBI officials that murdered 80 children, women, and men at Waco that were prosecuted, and I will grant you a possibility that this enormous power would not be abused.

Of course, the possibility that you don't mention, is that the party in power *wants* more illegal immigants, for example.

[KarlInOhio]

In general, even when people look at your ID, they don't record the fact that they looked at it. The only real exception is when the police wish to inform you of the error of your ways in driving 90 in a 25 zone.

I expect that with a national ID, some type of verification system will be implemented at nearly every business. You put your card in the slot, it verifies who you are, and your ID and location are stored in some government database. Much of this already happens now with credit cards, except that for most transactions you can use cash and the government needs at least a pretense to get those records.

On the other hand, I was paranoid enough that the magnetic stripe on my current driver's license ended up very close the a tape degausser the day I got it.