[independentmind]

I will never carry such a card. If the politicians in D.C. want to be kicked out all at once, I suggest they try to enact such legislation.

[backhoe]

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[Mark Felton]

This is cosponsored by Rep Davis, Tom (REPUBLICAN).

[jrg]

Here's what I see coming down the road....Automobile license plates equipped with embeddid RFID tags. Any police car equipped with a long range scanner, (either in the front grill of the car, or a handheld device), simply hits a button and all of your info is fed into their laptops (which all cop cars have), and instantly, everything about you is displayed.

[Mark Felton]

This is how they make it happen. It has NOTHING to do with the Constitution. This IS unconstitutional but the State will go along with it, here's why (from the text of the legislation):

"(d) GRANTS-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary may make grants to each State to assist the State in developing and implementing a driver's license and identification card program that meet the requirements of subsection (b).

(2) GRANTS FOR LINKING OF STATE MOTOR VEHICLE DATABASES- The Secretary may make separate grants under this subsection to each State to assist the State in developing and implementing computer technologies and databases required to link State motor vehicle databases under subsection (b)(3)."

`(3) APPLICATIONS- A State seeking a grant under this subsection shall submit to the Secretary an application that is in such form and contains such information as the Secretary may require. The Secretary shall evaluate such applications in the order received and award grants upon approval of an application.

`(4) FEDERAL SHARE- The Federal share of the cost of activities funded using amounts from a grant received by a State under this subsection shall be 100 percent or a lesser percentage determined by the Secretary.

`(5) TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FROM GSA- For purposes of section 201(a) of the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act of 1949 (40 U.S.C. 481(a)), a State carrying out activities using amounts from a grant under this section shall be treated as an executive agency and part of the Department of Transportation when carrying out such activities. For purposes of carrying out such activities, the Secretary shall, at the request of a State, enter into an agreement for the acquisition, on behalf of the State, of any goods, services, or supplies available to the Secretary from the General Services Administration, including acquisitions from prime venders. All such acquisitions shall be undertaken through the most efficient and speedy means practicable, including through electronic ordering arrangements.

`(6) REPORTS- The Secretary shall require a State that receives a grant under this subsection to submit to the Secretary, not later than 1 year after the date of implementation of the activities funded using the amounts of the grant, a report on the results of the activities.

`(7) REPAYMENT-

`(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in subparagraph (B), if the Secretary determines that a State receiving a grant under this subsection has not met the requirements of subsection (b) on or before the last day of the 5-year period beginning on the date of enactment of this section, the Secretary may require the State to repay, in whole or in part, the total amount received by the State in grants under this subsection.

`(B) GRANTS FOR LINKING OF STATE MOTOR VEHICLE DATABASES- In the case of a grant received under paragraph (2), if the Secretary determines that a State receiving the grant has not met the requirements of subsection (b)(3) on or before the last day of the 5-year period beginning on the date of enactment of this section, the Secretary may require the State to repay, in whole or in part, the total amount received by the State in grants under paragraph (2).

`(8) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated--

`(A) $100,000,000 for making grants under paragraph (1); and

`(B) $200,000,000 for making grants under paragraph (2).

[shrinkermd]

Something must be wrong here. A national ID card would prevent voter fraud, permit easy detection of illegal aliens and could have a coded system such that your medical history was portable and centralized. Also, felony convictions and probation status could similarly be coded.

Seemingly, all posters on this subject so far are convinced it would be used in nefarious ways. You already have a driver's license and you use it routinely for identification and check cashing. How many of you have been treated illegally by the government for having a driver's license?

It would be a relatively simple matter to prevent illicit use of such a card with technology and tough, criminal consequences for those who abused it.

[brityank]

See some excerpts downthread; they won't prosecute the laws we already have on the books, but they will persecute Citizens without a qualm.

[ffrancone]

SOB, WHINE, WHIMPER, SOB, WHINE, WHIMPER

THE REPUBLICANS TOOK BACK THE SENATE.

HELP MAKE THIS HAPPEN! GO TO:

TakeBackCongress.org

A resource for conservatives who want a Republican majority in the Senate

[joyful1]

The bill should be embraced and approved ASAP as a common sense tool to fight both terrorism and identify fraud. (Just the past couple months, my spouse and I had our bank credit accounts accessed for a total of $3,500!!)

The bill will pass. We will have biometric IDs soon. The arguments against it make no sense. The "big brother" reply is just corny.

[glc1173@aol.com]

Just refuse to carry it. After all, how often are you stopped anyhow? And if they try checkpoints to force people to carry it, traffic - as in the economy - will grind to a half, so business won't allow it.

[SUSSA]

Bush put this into effect in Texas a few years ago. You have to be fingerprinted and the prints go into a central electronic database that can be accessed by the state or feds whenever they want.

When I got mine, I snapped to attention, clicked my heels together, threw my right arm up in a straight-arm salute, and said Hail Bush.

[Barnacle]

Let me tell ya somethin’! There’s no way the furiously individual liberty minded citizens of this great country would ever tolerate such an intrusive invasion of privacy as biometrics unless we had lost all control of our borders and were being invaded by hoards of foreigners!

What? We have lost all control of our borders and have been invaded by hoards of foreigners?

Never mind.

[PaxMacian]

Info here
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:h.r.04633:

[PaxMacian]

It is my ancient religious belief that fingerprints hold information about an individual's destiny which can be read. I will not provide any biometric identifiers beyond a standard photo on the grounds that it might incriminate me. Plead the 5th and remind them that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ..."

[Tailgunner Joe]

bttt

[JPJones]

The bill would require each state to adopt a uniform standard for driver's licenses and link their motor vehicle databases to a central computer registry.

"They probably have SCMODTS"-Elwood Blues