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Toogood Baby Bashing Mom MAY NOT have Turned Over Her Daughter
Heard on Radio | 9/27/02 | AV

Posted on 09/27/2002 1:29:50 PM PDT by antivenom

Just heard on the top of the hour news...that the little girl turned over to the foster family MAY not be her daughter!

SO where is the little beaten up Toogood girl?


TOPICS: US: Indiana; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: toogood
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Wonder what Rocket Rosen has to SAY now????
1 posted on 09/27/2002 1:29:51 PM PDT by antivenom
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To: Vic3O3
Ping!
2 posted on 09/27/2002 1:32:08 PM PDT by dd5339
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To: antivenom
That could explain the lack of bruises on the child that was given over to foster care.


Could she have "borrowed" one from another Irish Travelor?

3 posted on 09/27/2002 1:32:12 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA
According to some around here, she didn't even beat the child. I'm sure they'll have some sort of elaborate explanation to explain this bit of news.
4 posted on 09/27/2002 1:34:34 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: antivenom
Which radio station?
5 posted on 09/27/2002 1:34:49 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: antivenom
I find it very hard to believe that the "girl" in protective services would not some how tell she was someone else.

Four year olds may be young, but they can talk and understand things to a certain degree.

As for being another traveler child, who would give up their own child?

Maybe just maybe, this kid was kidnapped from somewhere else.

6 posted on 09/27/2002 1:37:07 PM PDT by JZoback
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To: antivenom
It's foolish to be surprised at being conned by a con!
7 posted on 09/27/2002 1:37:21 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: antivenom
Sources, please....and any updates.
8 posted on 09/27/2002 1:39:03 PM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: Paul Atreides
Now now, I'll step up to the plate. I didn't think the videotape proved she struck the child as severely as some people were saying. IF she switched children that certainly would be another nail in her credibility coffin. What is the basis for this new story?
9 posted on 09/27/2002 1:39:14 PM PDT by Williams
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To: wideawake
Local Houston Radio....Rosen was "pissed" and didn't want to make a COMMENT yet...

Remember after the beating she LEFT Indiana, drove to Maryland and then to New Jersey...and NO bruises on the child.....

Bet she swapped a kid until things "blew over"...

10 posted on 09/27/2002 1:39:33 PM PDT by antivenom
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To: sinkspur
Couldn't possible be true because VastWhosis has been on all the Toogood threads saying how she is guilty of nothing and everyone is being so unfair to her....
11 posted on 09/27/2002 1:39:50 PM PDT by ofMagog
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To: antivenom
I've been speculating that all along.
12 posted on 09/27/2002 1:40:28 PM PDT by Sloth
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To: mystery-ak
I am looking/listening...BUT I heard Rosen on the radio...and he was NOT happy...I'll update with any info...
13 posted on 09/27/2002 1:40:41 PM PDT by antivenom
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To: antivenom
Bump for an update later.
14 posted on 09/27/2002 1:41:45 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: antivenom
You could be right. Did that kid make a big fuss when she was taken away from her mommy by child welfare? Usually kids scream up a storm when they are taken away from mommy - especially if they see mommy crying.
15 posted on 09/27/2002 1:41:52 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: antivenom
New twist in Toogood case

Nothing about the child abuse case that occurred in the Mishawaka Kohl's parking lot has been simple. While the video is shocking and Madelyne Toogood has admitted she was wrong, new twists continue in the case.

Identity is complex issue for investigators

Part of the struggle for investigators is the society in which this family lives. The culture of the Irish Travelers has made the basic question of identity hard to answer. From the very beginning identity was an issue. When police first released the video they didn't release a name because they questioned the name they were given.

"It is typical for family members and for all the travelers to give false names. It is also typical for a traveler to take on another name or another identity of another family member," says Don Wright, an expert on Irish Travelers. "There could be ten different Johnny Toogoods out there," says Wright. He says that it is all part of the culture. That has made this investigation even tougher. John Toogood sat at the Mishawaka Police Department for hours while investigators checked his background, a check that involved several other names.

Husband has many aliases

"I had a warrant," explains Detective Matt Austin of the Bristol, Tennessee Police Department. "Basically, the name was John Gannon, or A.K.A, James Gorman. I thought he looked or fit the description of Mr. Toogood,"says Detective Austin. While fingerprints cleared him of charges associated with that warrant, police believe John Toogood is the Johny Lark who plead guilty to felony theft in Philadelphia in 1998.

Spanish newspaper throws in a twist

Adrian Villalobos is a reporter for Voz Latinas A new article on the identity of Madelyne and her daughter was recently published in the Voz Latina, a Spanish language newspaper published in Michiana. The reporter interviewed a man who says that the Madelyne and Martha Toogood we know are not the same mother and daughter in the video. "He says he's pretty much involved in a high level with the real mother of the girl," explains Adrian Villalobos, a reporter for Voz. "He says he knows where they are but he refuses to give me that information for now," explains Villalobos.

The premise behind a deception of this type would be that the daughter brought in to police earlier this week is different than the one shown in the video. That child would not have shown the signs of abuse that the child in the surveillance tape apparently sustained. It is a bizarre question of identity and at this point the prosecutor will only say that the investigation is ongoing. Obviously verifying the identity of individuals in question is part of the investigation.

With every twist and turn of this story, NewsCenter16 will continue to investigate

16 posted on 09/27/2002 1:42:34 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: ofMagog
I would be curious to hear the reactions if the BATF was pummeling an adult in the same manner as she was pummeling that child.
17 posted on 09/27/2002 1:42:57 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: antivenom
Doubts Raised Over Girl In Taped Beating Police Checking Footprints To Confirm Identity Posted: 3:33 p.m. EDT September 27, 2002

MISHAWAKA, Ind. -- Could it be that the girl who was placed in foster care in Indiana isn't the same one who was seen on videotape being beaten in a department store parking lot?

Police are looking into that. A statement from a police investigator says some members of the public are concerned that police don't have the right child -- or the right mother, for that matter.

Last weekend, Madelyne Gorman Toogood surrendered to police in the company of a girl she identified as her 4-year-old daughter, Martha.

Because of the questions being raised about the child's identity, police are asking for footprint records that were taken after Toogood's daughter was born.

Toogood's attorney said it's "the craziest thing in the world" to suggest that police have the wrong woman and child.

Steven Rosen says, "That's the mother, and that's the daughter."

Toogood is facing a felony charge of battery to a child.

18 posted on 09/27/2002 1:43:14 PM PDT by antivenom
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To: antivenom
This is interesting, because the news stories have sometimes said the girl is in foster care, sometimes with relatives. I used to work in this field and know that relatives are always the first choice -- but if there has been a conspiracy among relatives to fool the cops, these folks are in deep doodoo.
19 posted on 09/27/2002 1:44:14 PM PDT by js1138
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To: antivenom
All they need to do is DNA testing and they can find out. Take blood samples from mother, father and child. Its a simple thing.
20 posted on 09/27/2002 1:44:23 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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