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Martha Toogood Is Sick Now
Various | Sep. 25, 2002 | Self

Posted on 09/25/2002 12:05:15 PM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator

Since the Martha Toogood's story is being dissected into the most minute details, here's one aspect not yet discussed:

- Martha gets a spanking from her mommy (some call it a savage beating). Whatever that was, it turns out that not one doctor, not even the prosecutor could find any sign of abuse such as bruises, cuts, broken bones, missing limbs or rigor mortis. In fact there are nude pictures apparently showing Martha as intact as ever.

- The state takes Martha under its own loving wing and... MARTHA IS SICK NOW!!! In fact, Martha is so sick, not even her mother can be allowed to see her.

Can anyone explain what's going on here? Is Martha better off with the authorities in charge? Or is she a victim of the authorities loving care. Perhaps too much love got Martha sick?


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To: freddy
My findings are, any little girl that is even the least bit sick...WANTS...NO, NEEDS her mother...Period..!!!

Sure, she'll be "right as rain"

...as soon as her mother beats the snot out of her.

21 posted on 09/25/2002 12:18:56 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: gubamyster
Are you referring to the same relatives who refused to tell authorities where they could find the beaten child?
22 posted on 09/25/2002 12:19:28 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: sinkspur
I saw an open hand hitting the legs...not a closed fist or any hitting on the face head lungs or other vital areas..
If there are no marks on this little girl and she wants her mom...the state should butt out...
In the farm area I grew up in....every parent spanked...and no one would ever think to accuse a parent of abuse...
If anything talk of child behavior revolved around which kids needed a good swat...or having a belt taken to a backside...
Lots of kids I went to school got literal trips to the woodshed...no one seemed the worse for it..
This same area is now plagued with crimes it never saw thirty years ago...social workers rule the school system...and liberals run the town..
23 posted on 09/25/2002 12:19:38 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
Your defense of this woman is what's sick.

Btw, what makes you think Toogood supplied the same girl that was beaten?

24 posted on 09/25/2002 12:20:50 PM PDT by Sloth
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To: gubamyster
These people are called Irish Travelers... Itinerant thieves who travel all over the country conning innocent old people on home repairs and commiting outright theft.

Do you really think the "family" would'nt vanish into the woodwork with Martha? I don't.
25 posted on 09/25/2002 12:21:01 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: AppyPappy
She didn't admit spanking, she admitted beating. Read the stories.

I believe there was some agreement here that "white trash don't talk too good". Who knows what she meant. The fact is that Martha is sick now and she wasn't before or after her spanking/savage-beating.

26 posted on 09/25/2002 12:21:05 PM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
I am just glad there were no cameras around when my Mom would chase my brother and me around the house with a wooden spoon or high heel shoe. Atleast my Dad only used his hand with a few wacks to the butt. Our best friends' father had a college ring on his finger and used to punch them in their upper arm when they got out of line. I remember thinking how much that had to hurt.

Man, now-a-days we all would have been in Foster care.

27 posted on 09/25/2002 12:21:15 PM PDT by Pete
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To: areafiftyone
The kid seemed pretty calm for someone who was getting hit.

Dogs don't resist beatings either if they get them often.

28 posted on 09/25/2002 12:22:00 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
She meant "beating". That's exactly what the child got and it's on videotape. Have you ever had the flu? Should we arrest your spouse for abuse because of it?
29 posted on 09/25/2002 12:22:15 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
Since the Martha Toogood's story is being dissected into the most minute details, here's one aspect not yet discussed:

- Martha gets a spanking from her mommy (some call it a savage beating). Whatever that was, it turns out that not one doctor, not even the prosecutor could find any sign of abuse such as bruises, cuts, broken bones, missing limbs or rigor mortis. In fact there are nude pictures apparently showing Martha as intact as ever.

- The state takes Martha under its own loving wing and... MARTHA IS SICK NOW!!! In fact, Martha is so sick, not even her mother can be allowed to see her.

Can anyone explain what's going on here? Is Martha better off with the authorities in charge? Or is she a victim of the authorities loving care. Perhaps too much love got Martha sick?
 

I've come very close to starting a thread long these lines.  You've taken a little differnt tac thank I would have.  The illness issue is valid and an interesting question.  The kid was fine until a few hours before the visit.  The excuse was a ruse in my opinion.

Look, the depiction of that mother shown on the video was clearly wrong.  No I didn't word that incorrectly.  The depiction was wrong.  The implication was wrong.  The child was not being brutalized in the manner we thought she was.  Now, if we wish to discuss the actions of the mother, I think they were wrong.  She shouldn't flail at and around the kid in that manner, and if the courts wish to make sure she doesn't do that again, I'm all for it.  But let's be honest.  The child was not physically abused, despite what we think we saw.  She was definately psychologically abused momentarily.

Now does that psychological abuse reach the level that we assess that mom should go to prison?  Folks, I gotta tell ya, that's a stretch.  The mom needs to be corrected.  This should never happen again.  But I am not particularly impressed by the authorities here.

The authorities have used this incident to delve into every aspect of this mom's life, even the procurement of the family vehicles is now in question.  What has that to do with the welfare of the child?  This has all the appearances of a witch hunt, law enforcement officials given carte blanche to pry into any and every nook and cranny of the mom's personal life.  Is that warranted?

We were told the child could be near death.  We were told that she would likely have brain damage and be a vegetable for life.  We were told that her mom had brutally beaten her to within an inch of her life.  All this was untrue.  If it was untrue, the public officials should back off and treat this case properly.  There isn't a chance I'd give that woman prison time under the circumstances.  I would place her on probation for several years and make sure she recieved parenting classes that would give her options when her child is a problem.

I would not keep the child in foster care.  I would place the child with the grandparents for the time being, slowly to be returned to the mother's home as parenting classes and anger management progressed.

This frenzied feeding based on the original mis-perception is frankly, scarey.

30 posted on 09/25/2002 12:22:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
MSNBC - Last night. New charges against Mommy Dearest for taking pics of the child's genitals and sending the film to a public processing plant.

Now take it back.
31 posted on 09/25/2002 12:23:26 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: sinkspur
Dogs don't resist beatings either if they get them often.

Yeah, but they get pretty, pretty sick if you beat them savagely. How come Martha got sick only AFTER she was separated from her family?

32 posted on 09/25/2002 12:23:42 PM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: All
Speaking of kids...anyone heard anything about Elian lately?



33 posted on 09/25/2002 12:24:00 PM PDT by Registered
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
...some call it a savage beating...

The video looks shocking, but the incident seems blown out of proportion to me.

34 posted on 09/25/2002 12:24:09 PM PDT by AmusedBystander
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
I heard on BOORTZ the other day that she (whooping mom) went to Vermont to see a doctor so her daughter could get the best care.

I have a TIN-FOIL Hat question. Is this the SAME girl we all saw in the tape, maybe a look-a-like replaced her.

35 posted on 09/25/2002 12:24:15 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: AppyPappy
Pappy...

The State is always right???? We all "saw" three minutes out of a childs lifetime, from that we deduce the state is correct. Perhaps, perhaps not.

36 posted on 09/25/2002 12:26:11 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: joesnuffy
I saw an open hand hitting the legs...not a closed fist or any hitting on the face head lungs or other vital areas..

Momma showed Larry King how she hit Martha...she hit herself on the forehead with a closed fist.

The argument is over. Madalyn Toogood, by her own admission, beat her child.

The mark of an educated man is the ability to make distinctions. There is a distinction between spanking and beating. And you know the difference.

37 posted on 09/25/2002 12:27:05 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Humidston
MSNBC - Last night.

MSNB-WHAT???? This is a FoxNews site. Didn't you know that?

I suppose that if you took a picture of me standing MSNBC could claim that it was of picture of my nose. And it would NOT be a lie. Same thing with the 'nude' picture.

38 posted on 09/25/2002 12:27:27 PM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
After reading all these posts I realize I am reading way too much into this story. I thought it was some big metaphor regarding Martha Stewart
39 posted on 09/25/2002 12:27:45 PM PDT by Harris
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To: sinkspur
Most dogs would bite you if you hit them after a while even the most mild mannered dogs. If this kid was abused more than once there would have to be some bruising. Jeeze when I got hit when I was a kid I always had some kind of mark if my mom or grandmother used a spoon or something.
40 posted on 09/25/2002 12:27:54 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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