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California officials ban pornography in prisons
sacbee.com ^ | Published 3:30 a.m. PDT Sunday, September 22, 2002 | (AP)

Posted on 09/22/2002 12:58:05 PM PDT by let freedom sing

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:44:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SACRAMENTO (AP) - State officials have banned inmates from receiving pornography after a growing number of female prison guards said they find the materials offensive.

Inmates are no longer allowed to receive pornographic magazines, along with photos, drawings and other depictions of nudity.


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KEYWORDS: california; coldshowers; porn; pornography; prisons; sexualharrassment
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To: BulletBrasDotNet
oh my... now you did it.
41 posted on 09/22/2002 2:14:04 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: let freedom sing
Maybe we ought to contract with the Japan prison authorities to take care of these whiners. Lack of pornography would be the least of their complaints.

Prison isn't supposed to be comfortable or pleasant. It isn't supposed to pander to their impulses. Lack of impulse control is generally why they are in prison to begin with. Take away their porn. Take away any and all materials with any depiction of women whatsover as far as I'm concerned.

On the other hand, if they want to behave and learn to control their impulses and keep their cells clean, reward them gradually with a relaxation of restrictions on reading materials. If they wish to be treated like responsible adults, let them demonstrate they are worthy of such treatment.

Their choice.

42 posted on 09/22/2002 2:14:41 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: let freedom sing
This is ridiculous!!!

The prisoners should have pornography if they want it. Their pleasures are few.

If women don't want to see it, and if they don't want to watch prisoners masterbate, and if they don't want to be exposed to nastey, vile, men, they should work somewhere else. What else would anyone expect in prisons anyway!?!!

Withholding pornography will not stop masterbation, and it will not turn prisoners into gentlemen.

Fire the women. Hire male prison guards.

43 posted on 09/22/2002 2:18:17 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Kevin Curry
Take away any and all materials with any depiction of women whatsover as far as I'm concerned.

but what about mom?

44 posted on 09/22/2002 2:19:05 PM PDT by let freedom sing
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To: let freedom sing
what about pictures of "she males"?
45 posted on 09/22/2002 2:21:12 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Savage Beast
Withholding pornography will not stop masterbation, and it will not turn prisoners into gentlemen. Poor guys could go blind. /sarcasm
46 posted on 09/22/2002 2:22:50 PM PDT by let freedom sing
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To: Kevin Curry
On the other hand, if they want to behave and learn to control their impulses and keep their cells clean...

I thought that keeping their "cells" clean was the purpose. Now, if you are ambidextrous, you get twice the lovin' at no charge. If there were more MBs it would put significantly reduce the mafia since prostitution would tank significantly. I'm just trying to put another "twist" on this thing. hehehe

47 posted on 09/22/2002 2:30:30 PM PDT by BulletBrasDotNet
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To: Lowelljr
"...sling the stuff on the female guards...Huh? Is this a diathalone shot-put contest. Personally, I seem to remeber as a young man, using a sling-shot with a steel bee-bee aimed at a paper target. I think that some Jewish kid used a "sling" against goliath. Somehow I don't get your point in terms of "slinging... stuff" at guards. Can you clarify this, your statement in terms of "slinging stuff?" Sounds like a pillow fight to me.
48 posted on 09/22/2002 2:37:38 PM PDT by BulletBrasDotNet
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To: BulletBrasDotNet
The female guards don't need to ogle some guy cleaning his pipes.

Oooh, I think the ones that ogle are not the free female guards. Remember who broke the laws here, and it was not the guards. The prisoners will use it (and any other act) as tool to keep from their cells being inspected as well as they should be. It will become a weapon if the PC crowd allows it. They lost their rights, and I for one do not choose to forget that tidbit.

49 posted on 09/22/2002 2:41:57 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: BulletBrasDotNet
Can you clarify this

NO

50 posted on 09/22/2002 2:43:46 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: Robert_Paulson2
what about pictures of "she males"?

What about tHim?

51 posted on 09/22/2002 2:49:25 PM PDT by let freedom sing
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To: Thebaddog
"They use those pictures to (masturbate).

What do you suppose the more accurate term was that was in the original quote?

How about "do the Clinton-in-the-sink thingy"?

52 posted on 09/22/2002 2:52:59 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: joesnuffy
"females should not be guards in male prisons"

Sorry to disappoint you joe, but I've worked in only all-male correctional facilities over the past 23 years. Besides, you forget about the female teachers, nurses, doctors, secretaries, food service workers, counselors, probation officers, etc., that work in prisons and have to interact with inmates.

New York State allows porn magazines. I'm a supervisor, and when I see the guys bring their magazines out to the yard, etc., I bust their chops: "Ah, heavy reading tonight eh?" Most of them say: "Oh, these aren't for me...I've brought them out for one of my friends." Yeah, right! I especially like to break 'em on the Muslim inmates who bring the mags out to the yard. Their religion prohibits them from even gazing on a female naked if she isn't his wife. So I say to them: "You know, Mohammed/Allah wouldn't like that!"

Inmates are going to masturbate whether they have magazines to look at or not. While I have no use for porn myself, I think California has gone a bit overboard. All these so-called females have to do is report the masturbation if it occurs in their presence. There are afterall, rules governing that type of stuff within the prison system. I could care less if they do it in the privacy of their cell, cube, etc., just so long as I don't have to view it. And on that subject, I can't remember the last time I had an inmate flash me. It's been at least 20 years I bet. Perhaps it's because I'm an old lady, and a supervisor to boot. They do it just to see how you're going to react anyway, and there are several different ways to deal with it. It's never been a big problem in any of the facilities I've worked in.

53 posted on 09/22/2002 4:36:48 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: VOA
"How about letting the guards simply have discretion to deny access to these materials to inmates based on bad behaviour?"

I don't know how it is in other states, but in New York State prisons, officers are not afforded the type of discretion you mention. It's actually a violation of the inmate's rights to arbitrarily discipline an inmate outside of the established disciplinary system in place here. We have a three-tier disciplinary system, that deals with misbehavior by inmates. The officer must document the misbehavior in writing and the report, or ticket as we call it, will be reviewed by the midnight Watch Commander and based on the severity of the offense, the charges will be placed into one of the thee tiers. Each tier is heard by a different uniformed rank in the prison and each has its own set of available dispositions that can be applied.

While as a supervisor, I have no problem with the officer shutting down the TV's because of certain misbehavior, or taking away the microwave because the inmates fail to keep it clean. However, there are other supervisors who run scared and won't allow it. As well, even if the officer attempts to do this, the inmates will immediately grieve it, or grab the first prison official walking around and cry to them. The officer will then be counseled and the inmates once again have won the day. Behavior shaping, or modification isn't used in the prison system here, although it should be.

54 posted on 09/22/2002 4:50:34 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: BulletBrasDotNet
"I'll bet the female guards diddle themselves when they can't get the real thang."

Are you the real thang honey? And are you offering? :)

55 posted on 09/22/2002 4:52:04 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: Sungirl
"If a prisoner wants access to porn he should .... Turn on HBO's Sex and the City."

They get HBO in my prison!

56 posted on 09/22/2002 4:54:02 PM PDT by mass55th
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To: let freedom sing
The amount of assrapings is about to skyrocket.
57 posted on 09/22/2002 5:40:55 PM PDT by weikel
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To: mass55th
...in New York State prisons, officers are not afforded the type of discretion you mention.

I can see how letting individual guards have that sort of power could be "corrupting".

Thanks for a view from the inside...I don't think I'd have the stuff to do a job like that.
58 posted on 09/22/2002 5:41:45 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Sungirl
Yeah but you generally get that feeling after you've done your business with it... you don't feel it the rest of the time LOL.
59 posted on 09/22/2002 5:44:56 PM PDT by weikel
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To: lawdude
Nudity is NOT porn.

So what?

Prison is intended to be punishment. I especially object to rapists and child molesters being allowed to have any access to pornography, nude photographs, or conjugal visits. When was the last time you heard about the state of California doing anything right?
60 posted on 09/22/2002 6:21:58 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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