Man in terror scare says woman is lying

CNN ^ | 9-13-02 | Kelli Arena, Kelly Wallace, Susan Candiotti, Mark Potter and Terry Frieden

[irgbar-man]

Asked about his "suggestion" that the woman might have lied, he said, "I'm not suggesting, I'm telling you she's flat-out lying."

Right out of the Clinton Playbook.

[sinkspur]

6. It was a hoax. (Authorities are backing off this as well).

Not true. Authorities may not file formal charges, but, if Eunice Stone is telling the truth, then it's a hoax.

Let's put these young men in front of a jury, and put Eunice Stone in front of a jury.

Just who do you think those 12 people are going to believe?

[CharacterCounts]

Just who do you think those 12 people are going to believe?

Based on the comments on this thread, the three men would be lynched before they ever got to a jury.

[Wingsofgold]

Another thing, what young men don't spill their guts when confronted with this much trouble? This bunch just wouldn't say nuthin, til they got that tv camera in front of em. That ain't normal. Betcha they had their instructions well in advance. Check cellphone records boys. Of course, given the last few years, Arab males have a decided penchant for the American education system well into their 30's and 40's, could be these "boys" are somewhat older. One thing we don't need is this kind in medical school wantin to "heal and help" the very type people they harmed. Yeah and that Daddy of one of em yesterday on CNN had "the look." Dead eyes glarin and hatred spewing outta his lyin mouth.

[Principled]

This is yet another strange coincidence in the odd occurence. It is clear to me that there is more here than meets the eye.

I hope these guys get watched, and i hope they get looked at close enough to clear them or nail them.

[Principled]

Should note here that RedBloodedAmerican posted in post #47 that the Choudray fellow is on the Board of Directors of a Muslim organization called "Young Muslims to please Allah" or some such.

He provided a link in post #47.

This is another odd detail about this developing case...

[SarahW]

Those aren't the facts at all.

In the light most favorable to the 3 guys,

1. the first car DID go through the toll booth without paying. It was only after the cop car pulled out to chase that the other car stopped to pay.

2. THe "heritage" of the men was correctly reported.
All are of Arab descent and Muslim. One is a Jordanian Palestinian, now a naturalised US citizen. That doesn't change his background. One was born here, but educated out of the US and of Arab descent. THe other was not born in the US either.

3.The dogs alerted, and that is true. It is not false. They may have alerted on nitrates in the medical kit, Nitrates are chemicals used in explosive weapons.

4. Cooperative would have been allowing a search and providing all information asked for. That didn't happen, by the admission of one of the guys.

5.The plates were not properly transferred, and the plates did not match public records of the model of the car they went with.

It was no mistake to stop these guys and hold them till their identities could be verified, their itinerary checked out, and their story about the plates could be checked out.

Eunice IS credible. That's just the way it is.

Nothing about her account or demeanor rings false. Even when she reported the conversation she allowed considedering the possibility they were "playing her".

She could have said they SAID they had explosives. She could have SAID they said "do we have enough to blow it up". A liar who wanted to get the guys in trouble WOULD have said that istead of reporting the observations she reported. She heard ambigous statements, and reported them just like that to the police.

[FR_addict]

Thanks. It appeared you were taking a shot at the Homeland dept. but it isn't over yet. And the Homeland system has not failed; it apparently does work.

When these men are in jail then I'll agree that it worked. Without grass roots support for Eunice, I am not as optimistic as you. I think our voices can make a difference as to the final outcome of Homeland Security.

If these men are not arrested, people are going to think twice about reporting an incident.

One guy called up Fox News with support for Eunice. He said he made a call to report an incident himself. The incident was that a Midlle Eastern man wanted directions to the nuclear power plant. This is not as cut and dry as what happened to Eunice, and if she is defamed, what happens to reporting other incidents that may be completely innocent? After all he could have been looking for a job.

I prefer this type of incident to be called in. I don't want the political correct crowd to stop us from reporting suspicious behavior. If they win in this incident, they will neutralize homeland security.

I have had to turn off the television. I can't stand to see these men and their families plastered all over the news as some sort of victims. This is the tip of the iceburg if we let them get away with terroristic tactics for the sake of political correctness.

[Dialup Llama]

>Oh and one more thing. I'm quite pleased with the way the authorities handled this sitution. Had they been real terrorists on their way to do harm to say... your family, you'd be very pleased right about now.

You don't make jokes about blowing up stuff these days. If the authorities had followed up James Wood's tip the way they followed up Eunice's, 9-11 would have been prevented. If your gut tells you something is out of line, it is!

[sinkspur]

Based on the comments on this thread, the three men would be lynched before they ever got to a jury.

Nah. But they pulled a stupid stunt and can't admit it, so they play the race card and accuse the woman of lying.

That's a normal reaction, but these men are simply not believeable.

[BraveMan]

Wouldn't you love to be pulled over and handcuffed by police for a gem like that?

I have been, in a small town in North Carolina, many years ago. I remember it well.

That's the day I learned there is a reason some LEOs are jailers, out of the public view . . .

[Consort]

The fact that they found no voilations of any kind would be consistent with a premeditated hoax, if it was a hoax.

[dts32041]

Who said anything about the resturant? Jess the bastard and maker of bastards doesn't care, he will figure out some way to make money out of this and align himself with the islamists.

[Dialup Llama]

Now the facts:

1. It was reported that the three men blew through a tollbooth. (turns out to be false).

4. It was reported that they were uncooperative. (nor the authorities say they were cooperative.

I'm glad you have such a good handle on the facts, since you have no better access to information than anyone else here. I hope you don't mind if, I dispute your claim to be the arbiter of facts.

According to the three guys, the second car paid for the first. I've been through 100's of tolls and each car pays its own toll. The first car did blow past the toll as reported.

They refused consent for the search. Hence they were uncooperative.

What will be the next "fact" to fall by the wayside? Based on the above, isn't at least worth considering that there is even a tiny possibility that a mistake was made?

Very few of the facts are falling by the wayside. No mistake was made. An excellent tip was phoned in and the authorities followed up on it. The three students were stupid for joking about a bomb.

[BraveMan]

Lastly, the media wants a "rabbit" . . .

On CNN last night Connie Chung was tripping over her tongue trying to vilify this woman for perpitrating a hoax ("Shouldn't she be punished?" and "What about the ethnic profiling?" assertions). The LEO she was interviewing was continually correcting her regarding the leaps of logic she was making, and that the hoax and/or prank assertion was way too premature. It was a nauseating display . . .

I have my own personal tin foil theory why they were suddenly let go . . .

[BohDaThone]

BTTT

[TigersEye]

Any indication they might be militia nutcases...?

Or internet nutcases. Might be friends of yours!

[RottiBiz]

...the plates may not have been stolen, but there WAS, in fact, a mismatch on the plates and the make of the car. The plates had not been properly transferred.

This was the one aspect of the story that bothered me.

Earlier in the day, they traced the plates to an hispanic man in Illinois. His name was Mr. Munoz or something like that. He and his house were shown on TV. A reporter asked him how the plates ended up on the white car and I heard him say, "Maybe they were stolen." He was very vague.

He voluntarily spoke with the police and he apparantly told them that he owned the car with his brother, his brother drove that car, and that his brother "was off on Fridays" and he couldn't be found. Mr. Munoz (sp?) was not a suspect.

At the end of the day, it was just a DMV transferring snafu? Since plates go with the owner when they transfer them to a subsequent car, I still can't understand how they ended up on the white car which obviously didn't belong to the brother.

[cactusSharp]

Connie upChung, to my memory, has not
displayed on single original thought
in a 10 plus TV career. Aren't those squinting
eyes,following a probing question , so sincere too

what a liberal loser

[DAnconia55]

Thanks for making my case for me.