Success: SoS MIA!

A Free Republic Exclusive ^ | Sept. 9, 2002 | Johnathan R. Galt

[JohnathanRGalt]

Success: SoS MIA!

Another terrorist website bites the dust.
 
Apparently both the main site of SoS and their backup site. It should take days for them to get their sites backup at another ISP and for the new address to propgate through the internet. This is just in time for the big 'celebration' they are planning for Sept. 11th. I also put the same message into the Abuse form of the UK host of http://www.supportersofshariah.com/ and it appears to be MIA too!
 
Here's more info on the planned 'celebration': http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Terror_Web/message/15
 
Now's the time to find "actionable content" -- examples of hate speech or other nastiness on the website of http://www.almuhajiroun.com which is hosted in Germany. The Germans have strict laws against hate speech. I've heard that their hosting company, Schlund+Partner AG, is now seriously considering TOS'ing them.

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From: Lycos Abuse Support
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 12:53 PM
To: johnathanrgalt@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Angelfire: Conduct & Defamation (KMM15494060V415L0KM)
 
Hello,
 
Thank you for contacting the Lycos Network Abuse Department.
 
The member and/or site you reported to the Terra-Lycos Abuse Team has been removed from our servers.
 
I wanted to clarify that the creator of the page is in no way directly associated with Tripod, Angelfire, or the Lycos Network. Neither Tripod  nor Angelfire exercise any editorial control over what our members place on their pages nor their other Internet related activities.
 
I hope you will find that our prompt response addresses your concerns.  If you have any further questions or comments,  please do not hesitate to contact us.
 
Sincerely,
Terra Lycos Network Abuse Specialist
http://reportabuse.lycos.com
 
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Here's the message I put in the abuse form at Lycos and the UK host of SoS:
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Name: Johnathan Galt
Address: johnathanrgalt@hotmail.com
Subject: Angelfire
Type of Abuse: Conduct & Defamation
Service: Report Abuse
Date/Time: 9/7/2002 17:35
Comments:
 
http://www.angelfire.com/dc/sos/frame.html
 
This site is listed as a backup site on the front page of terrorist website: "Supporters of Shariah".
http://www.supportersofshariah.com/
 
This site supports 'Jehad' and the murder of Americans and Jews.
 
Cleric Abu Hamza at the Finsbury Park Mosque is one of the most infamous Islamists. Both the U.S. and Yemen want to extradite him for terrorist activities.
 
Other, recent, famous British Islamists/terrorists from the Finsbury Park Mosque are Moussaouri, the '20th hijacker', James Ujaama,  Jerome Courtailler, and shoe-bomber suspect Richard Reid.
 
Here are just a few of the news articles about the SoS:
 
Fanatic Sheik's Videos of Terror
 
AK-47 training held at London mosque
 
Terror video used to lure UK Muslims
 
'You have to kill in the name of Allah until you are killed'
 
Note: bin Laden had a website hosted in Kentucky at: supportersofshariah.org which was taken down shortly after Sept. 11th.


 

[JohnathanRGalt]

Jehadi website ping: (let me know if you want on or off)

[Poohbah]

Better that we know where the little bastards are and can watch the traffic in and out of their site. Carnivore, anyone?

[facedown]

Now's the time to find "actionable content" -- examples of hate speech or other nastiness on the website of http://www.almuhajiroun.com...

Would something like this suffuce?

"it would be very foolish to think that it is better to remain silent and submissive in the face of the US terrorism and slaughter. if america had thought as you do about killing innocent people, then Usama would never had felt he had to retaliate. after the US had murdered 1 million babies under the age of 5 in Iraq, and after they had used napalm causing babies in iraq today to be born with no eyes and living no more than a few days. after they had financially supported Nazi Israel in its terrorism and massacre of muslims in the middle east, after they impoverished the world and raped their resources, after indiscrimnately bombing villages, hospitals and mosques in Afghanistan. it is clear who are the terrorists."

Source

They also have some godawful photos here and here.

DON'T LOOK - they make the stuff at rotten.com seem tame!

Don't know if these are helpful.

[JohnathanRGalt]

So, you get the IP addresses and the emails of hundreds of thousands of hateful, angry, and perhaps somewhat crazy and obsessed people.

Then what do you do with all this info?

There aren't enough FBI-MI6-CIA agents to sift through it all. Carnivore is just a machine - you need human intelligence to parse it. How do you differentiate which are crazy and which are terrorists?

Secondly, how do you know that the Govt. of Britain was really doing this monitoring?

I ran a (fake) terrorist site myself for eight months and collected lots of traffic and info. I've also gotten access to the site logs and email addresses from other groups with ties to the terrorists.

Everyone needs to ask themselves the question: Where do terrorists come from? -- Or for that matter Nazis or other nasty people.

I believe they are converted to insanity by the hatred spewing forth from their Imams/Clergy/Teachers, their parents, and by reading propaganda on websites.

Keeping a website up only insures that they will be able to recruit more terrorists in the future.

At any rate, the decision to host a terrorist website rests solely with the ISP.

[Poohbah]

So, you get the IP addresses and the emails of hundreds of thousands of hateful, angry, and perhaps somewhat crazy and obsessed people.

OK.

Then what do you do with all this info?

Turn it over to the NSA for traffic analysis, decryption/translation, and further collection tasking.

There aren't enough FBI-MI6-CIA agents to sift through it all.

True--but the NSA has more than enough geeks to do it.

Carnivore is just a machine - you need human intelligence to parse it. How do you differentiate which are crazy and which are terrorists?

Give it to the NSA/GCHQ and wait a couple weeks. They'll tell you Abdul's shoe size, when he goes to the can, and what shop he gets his falafel sandwiches from--and whether he's a terrorist, and how big a terrorist he is.

Secondly, how do you know that the Govt. of Britain was really doing this monitoring?

I would suggest reading the works of the Right Honourable Nigel West, MP, particularly where he discusses the activities of the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ). They watch EVERYBODY they think might pose some danger to the Realm.

I ran a (fake) terrorist site myself for eight months and collected lots of traffic and info. I've also gotten access to the site logs and email addresses from other groups with ties to the terrorists.

Congrats, you're now on the NSA's watch list, and you've managed to get FR into the hopper as well.

If you have no earthly idea what you're actually doing, please stop doing it.

Everyone needs to ask themselves the question: Where do terrorists come from? -- Or for that matter Nazis or other nasty people.

Some folks are just born rotten.

I believe they are converted to insanity by the hatred spewing forth from their Imams/Clergy/Teachers, their parents, and by reading propaganda on websites.

Sorry, kiddo, you've just subscribed to the mentality used by the NEA to get kids separated from politically incorrect parents.

Keeping a website up only insures that they will be able to recruit more terrorists in the future.

And keeping an eye on it allows us a chance to know who is getting recruited.

You can't shut down a terrorist website permanently; the most you can do is drive it beyond our ability to monitor the site's traffic--and then we won't know who's on first.

At any rate, the decision to host a terrorist website rests solely with the ISP.

Fine. Don't do business with that ISP.

[JohnathanRGalt]

Don't know if these are helpful.

Actually, that's exactly what we need to show the ISP.

So they're repeating the 'big lie' of Jenin over and over. Even the UN said the massacre was a fake. What Almuhajiroun is doing is 'incitement to murder'. And they are trying to give reasons why the whole Muslim Ummah should carry out their murders.

Those dead babies, deformities, and aborted fetuses are the grossest form of propaganda. I've seen the same dead babies pictures attributed to actions by:
* Israelis on the Palestinians
* US Soldiers on Afghanistan babies
* Russian Soldiers on Chechnya babies
* Now they're using the same dead babies for Iraq

Those are pictures of birth defects. They might not even be Arab babies.

[JohnathanRGalt]

Then what do you do with all this info?

Turn it over to the NSA for traffic analysis, decryption/translation, and further collection tasking.

You've got an awful lot of faith in 'Big Brother'.

There aren't enough FBI-MI6-CIA agents to sift through it all.

True--but the NSA has more than enough geeks to do it.

There are not enough geeks either.

Carnivore is just a machine - you need human intelligence to parse it. How do you differentiate which are crazy and which are terrorists?

Give it to the NSA/GCHQ and wait a couple weeks. They'll tell you Abdul's shoe size, when he goes to the can, and what shop he gets his falafel sandwiches from--and whether he's a terrorist, and how big a terrorist he is.

Again, you've got an awful lot of faith in 'Big Brother'

Secondly, how do you know that the Govt. of Britain was really doing this monitoring?

I would suggest reading the works of the Right Honourable Nigel West, MP, particularly where he discusses the activities of the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ). They watch EVERYBODY they think might pose some danger to the Realm.

Such as Abu Hamza? So why haven't us British extradited him to the US or Yemen where he's wanted or for that matter the dozens more terrorists the UK Govt. is harbouring.

I ran a (fake) terrorist site myself for eight months and collected lots of traffic and info. I've also gotten access to the site logs and email addresses from other groups with ties to the terrorists.

Congrats, you're now on the NSA's watch list, and you've managed to get FR into the hopper as well.

So, we also shared the info with the FBI, an Israeli counter-terrorism group, several newspapers and television stations. What's to worry?

If you have no earthly idea what you're actually doing, please stop doing it.

Yes, I know exactly what I'm doing.  I'm doing my part for the war on terror -- and no, I won't bow to your authority and stop it.

Everyone needs to ask themselves the question: Where do terrorists come from? -- Or for that matter Nazis or other nasty people.

Some folks are just born rotten.

With the exception of those born with double y chromosomes or imbalanced brain chemicals people are converted to evil. People are converted to good too. For example, I've heard of violent criminals who converted to Christ and their inner nature was changed .

I believe they are converted to insanity by the hatred spewing forth from their Imams/Clergy/Teachers, their parents, and by reading propaganda on websites.

Sorry, kiddo, you've just subscribed to the mentality used by the NEA to get kids separated from politically incorrect parents.

Sorry, kiddo, I have not.

Keeping a website up only insures that they will be able to recruit more terrorists in the future.

And keeping an eye on it allows us a chance to know who is getting recruited.

Again, you've got an awful lot of faith in 'Big Brother'.

So, why wasn't the NSA/GCHQ able to figure out where the terrorists were before Sept. 11th (or do you subscribe to the 'incompentence theory')?  Either way, your arguements don't hold water.

You can't shut down a terrorist website permanently; the most you can do is drive it beyond our ability to monitor the site's traffic--and then we won't know who's on first.

I've seen half a dozen shut down. This interferes with the terrorists ability to communicate, collect funds, and recruit. When they pop back up, we shut them down again. Sometimes they stay down (such as azzam.com or the Al-Qassam Martyrs Brigade at qassam.net).

At any rate, the decision to host a terrorist website rests solely with the ISP. Fine. Don't do business with that ISP.

Even finer -- tell the ISP exactly what they are hosting.

• Tell them they host the site of a terrorist group.
• Object to it in terms of their own rules (Terms of Service/Acceptable Use Policies)
• Point out the site's connection to international terrorism
• Mention the US law against providing material support or resources to terrorists
• Ask: "do their other clients want to be associated with such a site"?
• Be polite.

[Poohbah]

As for my faith in "Big Brother," may I kindly suggest that, if you don't know WTF you're talking about, that you either (a) shut up, or (b) get the appropriate clearances and work on the SI/CODEWORD/NOFORN side of the house for a while, and get educated.

I've seen half a dozen shut down.

Let's correct this: you've seen half a dozen domain names disappear, given yourself a pat on the back, and the terrorists have simply gone into operation elsewhere, notifying their players of the new site.

This interferes with the terrorists ability to communicate, collect funds, and recruit.

Uh-huh. And shutting down www.napster.com has stopped people from exchanging copyrighted material.

When they pop back up, we shut them down again.

Translation: you repeat the same tedious task all over again,

Sometimes they stay down (such as azzam.com or the Al-Qassam Martyrs Brigade at qassam.net)

Translation: you have no clue as to whether they're actually shut down, or if they've wised up and done a better job hiding their communications from you.

[MarMema]

Good job, buddy!! Take them down just before they try to celebrate. All the more meaningful.

My sincere gratitude to you always.

PS - nothing on the liero2 site yet...

[MarMema]

Even if he is just hassling them and making life a tad harder for them, it is still worth it. And when he fooled them with his fake website, perhaps it made them distrust each other just a tad more.

If everyone worked at just one small thing like he does, if we all pitched in with something, anything, then we would at worst appear as a united front of "fighters".
And what harm can that do?

[Poohbah]

Even if he is just hassling them and making life a tad harder for them, it is still worth it.

Until he drives them to a location beyond the montoring capabilities of Western intelligence services, at which point he's just laid a turd in the punchbowl.

And when he fooled them with his fake website, perhaps it made them distrust each other just a tad more.

He's also made "No Such Agency" distrust him more. Swift move.

If everyone worked at just one small thing like he does, if we all pitched in with something, anything, then we would at worst appear as a united front of "fighters". And what harm can that do?

Oh, the same harm that symbolism over substance did to America during the Clinton years.

[JohnathanRGalt]

As for my faith in "Big Brother," may I kindly suggest that, if you don't know WTF you're talking about, that you either (a) shut up, or (b) get the appropriate clearances and work on the SI/CODEWORD/NOFORN side of the house for a while, and get educated.

(a) No.  I do not respect your authority.

(b) You have no idea what clearances I have or what you are even talking about.

I've seen half a dozen shut down.

Let's correct this: you've seen half a dozen domain names disappear, given yourself a pat on the back, and the terrorists have simply gone into operation elsewhere, notifying their players of the new site.

We're on their 'players' list too. We get notified as well.

When they pop back up, we shut them down again.

Translation: you repeat the same tedious task all over again,

Wrong: has it occurred to you that we find the task enjoyable? It's not tedious at all.

Sometimes they stay down (such as azzam.com or the Al-Qassam Martyrs Brigade at qassam.net) Translation: you have no clue as to whether they're actually shut down, or if they've wised up and done a better job hiding their communications from you.

Alternate translation: they're still down. Azzam is forced to communicate by email to the mosques and operatives around the world -- their communcations are getting a little dated (last one was over a month ago) and the terrorists are getting a little more demoralized.

[JohnathanRGalt]

Even if he is just hassling them and making life a tad harder for them, it is still worth it.

Until he drives them to a location beyond the montoring capabilities of Western intelligence services, at which point he's just laid a turd in the punchbowl.

What location is beyond the monitoring capabilities of Western intelligence?

And when he fooled them with his fake website, perhaps it made them distrust each other just a tad more.

He's also made "No Such Agency" distrust him more. Swift move.

If the National Security Agency had any problem with what I'm doing, I suppose they would have contacted me by now. They're perfectly capable of figuring out who they can trust and who they cannot.

If everyone worked at just one small thing like he does, if we all pitched in with something, anything, then we would at worst appear as a united front of "fighters". And what harm can that do?

Oh, the same harm that symbolism over substance did to America during the Clinton years.

MarMema's right and you are wrong. Patriotism, properly applied, is a good thing. American's should be a "united front of fighters". That's what made America great -- not blind obsequiousness to false authority.

[Poohbah]

What location is beyond the monitoring capabilities of Western intelligence?

Any ISP in unfriendly territory. The monitoring gear needs to operate at Layer 2.

If the National Security Agency had any problem with what I'm doing, I suppose they would have contacted me by now.

"No Such Agency" isn't in the "contact people and complain" kind of business. They're in the "watch, listen, and learn" business.

They're perfectly capable of figuring out who they can trust and who they cannot.

And you've manage to give them every indication that you're not trustworthy by hosting an Islamist website.

MarMema's right and you are wrong. Patriotism, properly applied, is a good thing.

Ah, the key words here are "properly applied."

American's should be a "united front of fighters".

Wow. I never thought I'd hear an honest-to-God Maoist trying to pass as a conservative.

When are you going to try to stage a Great People's Cultural Revolution?

That's what made America great -- not blind obsequiousness to false authority.

No, what made America great is having more good sense than God gave a crabapple. Y'all aren't exhibiting that much good sense yet.

[MarMema]

What location is beyond the monitoring capabilities of Western intelligence?

The back of the camel.

[Aaron_A]

No time to celebrate - way too much still to do.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=524&u=/ap/20020911/ap_wo_en_po/sept_11_fundamentalists_1&printer=1